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On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
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> Thanks for staying on me about this Travis.
>
> Like I said, this is so subtle as to not be accepted, by Sprinks anyway.
>
> For example, I took two measurements; height and length.
> Where is the 'stopwatch' in that?
> In fact the 'clock' is in The Law of Falling Bodies, well know for qite a
> while.
>
> How about we meet halfway on this? I'll concede the Q,P,K, and "29 point
> something times this to the that" formulas are simpler and quicker for
> everday use, if you'll concede that, just like it does not hurt a training
> to learn hand calcs first, it does not hurt an experienced designer to
> 'see' the natural beauty at the root of sprinkler calcs, OK?
> On Oct 2, 2016 8:08 AM, "Travis Mack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Keep it simple. You are trying to tell us that it is easier to measure
>> the time it takes for stream to hit ground and distance when you "lost the
>> chart?"
>>
>> Honestly man, learn to keep things simple. Remember the old saying, "Just
>> because you can do something doesn't mean you should."
>>
>> If you are trying to determine flow this way because you forgot
>> something, reschedule the test. Your methods are far too complicated for a
>> simple task. You have way too much room for error.
>>
>> So be like the Disney princess: "Let it go!"
>>
>> Travis Mack, SET
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>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just one more thing and then I'll quit.
>>
>> "how to estimate the gpm of a flow test by yourself because you've lost
>> the pitot that came with the kit, and there are no formulas in the
>> standards or aps for that"
>>
>> t = SQRT (2h/g)
>> where t is the 'time of flight' in seconds and h is the height of the
>> butt in feet.
>> Say h = 4ft. t=(8/32)^.5=.5 sec.
>> Say the length of the stream is 20 ft. If the water went 20 ft in .5 sec
>> it is going 40 ft/sec.
>> A 2.5" C=.9 butt is .0307 ft^2, * 40 ft/sec=1.228 ft^3/sec, *7.48*60= 551
>> GPM.
>>
>> No one in their right mind would avocate basing final calcs on this.
>>
>> So it's an open question as to wether or not I would.  . .
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> Brad
>> On Oct 1, 2016 4:30 PM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Trevor.
>>> I like graphs. I'm a slow learner but i dont let that stop me.
>>> On Oct 1, 2016 4:11 PM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow Ron thanks!
>>>> That pow thing blows my mind but that's ok.
>>>> I might seem overly sensatitve about this but it is one of the two or
>>>> three 'light bulb' moments I've had in my sprinkler career. I don't know if
>>>> you have heard designers say things like, "suddenly it just clicked", or
>>>> not. I have, but I guess I'm the only one who heard gravity click with
>>>> sprinkler calcs. Before that Q,K,P was so mysterious, although I could
>>>> sleep at night, it was fitfull.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again man,
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>> On Oct 1, 2016 3:54 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brad-
>>>>>
>>>>> 919gpm using the standard formula by hand. The only trick is the
>>>>> square root of P which may have to be bracketed if it's not one you know. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> can use a simple calculator for that though. Took about 45 seconds with a
>>>>> calculator with a square root function. A couple of minutes if i need to
>>>>> bracket and less than the 45 seconds if its a square root I know (like for
>>>>> 30).
>>>>>
>>>>> And here is the calculator tape for the truly annal:
>>>>>
>>>>> pow(30,1/2) * 6.25 * 0.9 * 29.83
>>>>> = 919.04421883382455
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.5 squared is just one of those I have memorized.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Trevor Spain <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need to be able to print a report or save a report as a pdf,
>>>>>> download the free hydrant flow test program from here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://igneusinc.com/files/files.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trevor Spain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/1/2016 2:03 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.firehydrant.org/info/hycalc.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love it and used it for years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2016 2:52 PM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Follow the formula in the standards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 29.83 x hydrant coefficient x pumper modification x diameter x
>>>>>>> diameter x sqrt (pitot pressure)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep it all simple. No need to overcomplicate everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are even several apps to put in your phone to do this stuff.
>>>>>>> Keep it all simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Travis Mack, SET
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My pleasure Jeff, thanks for saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2016 1:32 PM, "Jeff Normand" <[email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Brad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Brad Casterline <
>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say it's a 2.5" butt (small, smooth and well rounded my personal
>>>>>>> favorite) so C=.9.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ((2.5/24) ^2) * PI = .034 ft^2.
>>>>>>> .034 * .9 = .0307 ft^2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say pitot = 30 PSI.
>>>>>>> 30/.433=69.284 ft (h).
>>>>>>> v=(2gh)^.5=(2*32.2*69.284)^.5=69.8 ft/sec.
>>>>>>> .0307 ft^2 * 69.8 ft/sec = 2.05 ft^3/sec, * 7.48 * 60 = 920 GPM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not too shabby!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>
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