You would still only sprinkler at the top of the stairs and the lowest landing 
if it’s not combustible.  My concern would be if it required a standpipe.



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From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf 
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 2:43 PM
To: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Exterior Stairs



Open stairs should not be a problem. It’s the enclosure making it effectively a 
stair tower


Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

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On Oct 18, 2018 at 11:28 AM, <Tony Silva <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

I know, enclosing these stairs creates a problem. But Todd, you think if a 
building has exterior, non-combustible stairs (such as say a fire exit), then 
it should be sprinklered? I haven't thought of it as that way, that is why I'm 
asking.

Tony



On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:39 AM Fpdcdesign <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Remember, these stairs are a means of egress. If these stairs were enclosed as 
part of the original building construction, would you sprinkler it?


Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-553-3553 (fax)

860-608-4559 (cell)






On Oct 17, 2018 at 8:38 PM, <Tony Silva <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

The building and stairs are non-combustible. If the stairs are not heated can 
it be considered outside the building envelope?



Which leads to a side observation. We provide sprinklers for balconies and 
below combustible overhangs that are over 4 feet wide. And won't that be 
outside the building envelope? So would not sprinklering outside the building 
envelope be a valid argument?



Tony



On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Fpdcdesign <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

If the enclosure is part of the building envelope, then it should be sprinklered



Are the stairs combustible?


Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-553-3553 (fax)

860-608-4559 (cell)






On Oct 17, 2018 at 6:58 PM, <Tony Silva <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

I have been asked this question, so I thought I will get the opinion of the 
forum. An NFPA 13, 2013 building has emergency stairs on the exterior of the 
building. Now it has been decided to enclose it, but will remain unheated.



(1) Is it required to be sprinklered, if not enclosed?

(2) Would the answer to (1) be different if enclosed?



Tony

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