Dear Skyler,

There are a couple of situations that could present data in this manner.  Some 
municipalities have pumps that will start when a certain demand is placed on 
the system.  The hydrant supply loop at the University of Illinois' Fire 
Service Institute are on such a supply.  This will cause the pressure to drop 
and then rise during a flow test.

I have also seen this happen in the flatland of Central Illinois when the water 
supply is solely from an elevated tank and the land changes elevation.  In 
those cases, the elevation was just enough to overcome the friction loss in the 
piping.  This situation has larger pipes and lower flows.

Please feel free to call me with any questions you may have.  :-D

It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of the NFPA 
Committee on Sprinkler System Installation Criteria, and has not been processed 
as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing 
Committee Projects and should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as 
the official position of the the NFPA, nor any of their technical committees.

Sincerely,


Cecil Bilbo
Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology
Champaign, IL
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From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> on behalf 
of Skyler Bilbo <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 11:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Pitot Pressure Above Residual Pressure

I apologize if this has been discussed already, but I would like to clear my 
own mind, if nothing else.

I can't recall a hydrant flow test, that I performed, where my pitot pressure 
has been higher than the residual pressure on the test hydrant.  I have 
received two tests in the last year from city water departments where this has 
been the case.  I can't make sense of the physics.  This *should* not be 
possible, correct?

I can dream up a scenario where it would happen, but essentially, the flow test 
would have to be taken backwards, where the test and flow hydrants are flipped, 
and someone is using a decent amount of water, either past the test hydrant, or 
between the test hydrant and flow hydrant... It seems like if this happens (if 
your pitot reading is higher than your residual pressure), you should flip the 
flow and test hydrants and repeat the test.  Am I thinking about this 
correctly?  Has anyone else had this issue, and is it addressed in NFPA 
anywhere (perhaps it should be, if it isn't)?  Of course, one of the gauges 
could be bad as well (which is probably just as likely, if not more so, than 
the hydrants being flipped).


Thanks for any help with this,
Skyler Bilbo
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