I wouldn’t agree that it isn’t a real-world issue. Years ago, I had a deluge 
system in an air craft hanger bend the hangers/supports on the risers during 
the trip testing. Bracing against the impact forces is strongly recommended.

I’ve even seen wet pipe systems mains that shifted out of position, due to the 
client wheeling open control valves and filling them to quickly.

Larry Keeping

From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf 
Of Skyler Bilbo
Sent: March-12-19 10:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Water hammer in Dry or deluge systems

Craig,

I have run into a very similar scenario.  I had a real concern with so much 
water hitting every change in direction and dead end with a lot of force.  All 
of the deluge valves that I know of go from being closed to open full bore, as 
quickly as the clapper can open (fast).  Also, it is important to realize that 
the water will not move through at the designed minimum flow rate, but probably 
much faster.  In our case, we installed seismic bracing at every elbow and near 
any dead ends.  This wasn't engineered, as I'm not aware of any guidelines or 
requirements for designing this bracing.  It seems to me that this is a similar 
concept to thrust block design for underground piping (where the forces in a 6" 
elbow can easily exceed 5,000 lbs and substantially higher than this in larger 
sizes), but there are definitely some differences.  If nothing else, the braces 
provided me with some peace of mind.  I felt it was important to make sure that 
the braces were installed and oriented correctly. I also made sure that no one 
entered the area when we did the startup testing, and everything went well.  
The bracing definitely helped.

Thinking about this more - hopefully someone will chime in... The total 
pressure (velocity pressure + normal pressure) should never exceed your initial 
static pressure.  If you design braces to handle this full initial static 
pressure times the area of whatever size pipe you have (pi * r^2), I would 
think this would be a safe calculation.  Again, I hope someone chimes in on 
this.  I have been wrong more than once, so don't just take my word for it.

I just read Roland's response.  It's good to know it hasn't been a real world 
issue.  I know that I was pretty nervous about it when my name was attached to 
it.  The cost of the braces was worth it to me.


- Skyler

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:59 AM Prahl, Craig/GVL 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So, I’ve got an FPE and ME questioning about water hammer in a deluge system.

We have a unique installation where we have two levels of hose connections (one 
array at 12 ft AFF and one at 60 ft AFF) for manual firefighting in an 
unconditioned assembly building which is 145 ft high.

Due to the non-heated condition, one proposed concept for a semi-automatic 
system is to use an electric release deluge valve to charge the system from 
manual pull stations.

Flow rate will be 1,000 gpm at somewhere near 150ish psi though 600-800 ft of 
pipe inside the bldg.

The FPE and ME are concerned with water hammer in the piping when the deluge 
valve opens based on how fast the valve opens.

Has anyone dealt with or had to provide calcs for this?  NFPA 13, 14, etc. are 
fairly silent on the issue.  Is it even an issue?  I’ve never had this brought 
up before on an interior system.

Anyone have any data on how fast a solenoid operated deluge valve opens?

Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | 
www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/>


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