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Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 12:57 PM Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> wrote: > My point exactly. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Prahl, > Craig/GVL > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:54 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Welded outlets - Equivalent feet > > > > Very possible but that would be kind of worthless info since your greatest > friction loss is going to be making the turn. > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> *On > Behalf Of *Steve Leyton > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:12 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Welded outlets - Equivalent feet > > > > I’ll bet a friendly fiddy cent that the .05 ft. value is on the run. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Prahl, > Craig/GVL > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:08 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Welded outlets - Equivalent feet > > > > OK, so a quick look shows that for a 1” tee with flow turning 90 degrees, > NFPA 13 gives that an equivalency of 5 ft. > > > > Looking at one of the mechanical tee manufactures (strap on tee) they are > showing a 1” outlet as being equal to 0.5 ft. of pipe. (I would have > thought it to be much higher) > > > > I could not find any EQ L on a thread-o-let. I figure a mech tee probably > has similar friction coefficient to a thread-o-let since the only > difference between the two is welded versus strapped on. > > > > Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm. > > > > Now if we only had a resident mathemagician who could give us the formulae > needed to solve this kind of conundrum…………. > > > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:30 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Welded outlets - Equivalent feet > > > > *Yes. 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I have a PE reviewing plans (already approved by local AHJ), > that is not allowing the fittings used in our program. Our program just > uses the tee in NFPA 13. 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