Michael, LOL! The best thing about BIM modeling is the extra money it generates. Once out in the field the plumbers, HVAC, and sparky’s all act like they’ve never heard of such a beast, but that’s only because sprinklers guys are all pure as the driven snow.
Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III Fire by Knight, LLC 208-318-3057 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Goodis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Michael Goodis; 'Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G' Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been god for is (your duct is in the way, we see you cant move, the model is wrong, let now reroute due to the conflict, oh and wait, its not a CO because this should have been caught during the bim modeling.) Great stuff with the GC’s pushing it off to try and cut the change orders out. Gotta love it. Michael Goodis Salesman, Project Manager IL#000635 NICET#135586 Key Fire Protection Enterprises LLC 3200 Mike Padgett HWY Augusta, GA 30906 Office- (706) 790-3473 Cell- (706) 220-8822 Fax: (706) 738-2119 From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> MFP_logo_F Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] www.mfpdesign.com Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D&reserved=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL <[email protected]>; Travis Mack <[email protected]>; David Bohannon <[email protected]>; Matthew J Willis <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? 😉 Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] | <http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Travis Mack <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Matthew J Willis <[email protected]>; David Bohannon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Matthew J Willis <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mail.mobile.aol.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona7NH3VpRw$> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, P.E. Vice President Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Matthew J Willis <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Travis Mack <[email protected]>; Prahl, Craig/GVL <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mfpdesign,com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona7aUKCG7Q$> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] | <http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Cc: Travis Mack <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. 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