The only reference to clearance is for structural members 

 

NFPA 13 – 2016 edition: 9.3.4.9 The installed horizontal and upward vertical 
clearance between horizontal sprinkler piping and structural members not 
penetrated or used, collectively or independently, to support the piping shall 
be at least 2 in. (50 mm).

If it were a branch-line with sprinklers then per NFPA 13 -2016 edition: 
9.3.4.11* The installed clearance between a sprinkler and structural elements 
not used collectively or independently to support the sprinklers shall be at 
least 3 in. (75 mm).

 

Nothing referencing Mechanical that I know of.

 

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From: Prahl, Craig/GVL <[email protected]> 
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

 

Well, when I’ve gotten that “it’s in the code” response from an AHJ and I am 
pretty certain it is not, I respectfully request them to please provide me with 
the code reference so I can present it as part of my Change Notice to the GC 
for design modifications which cannot be made until such code reference is 
received and the change is approved.  

 

This way I’m not challenging them, but seeking their assistance.  When they 
can’t produce any reference, the issue goes away.  I copy key people on the 
project so that they are aware of the issue.  

 

It’s just a more diplomatic way of saying “prove it”.

 

The fact is that most AHJ types or reviewers only review the drawings 
associated with their specific area of responsibility.  They do not care about 
coordination, that’s part of the responsibility of the design professional.  So 
they would most likely never pick up on something like this during permit 
reviews.  

 

Ain’t this fun?  “I need you to move your 8” system main, I’ve got a ½” water 
line that needs to get through.”   

 

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Exactly.  It’s all up in the air.  It was a BIM job and not an issue with 
anyone during coordination.  Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to 
be an issue.  You can’t win some days.  Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, 
but now it is.

 

 
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

 

Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem?   😉 

 

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

 

Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. 

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Hahahahaha

 

 

 

 

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Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct 
have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort?

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I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position.

 

Thanks,

John

 

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Educate him.

 

Use your charm.

 

R/

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No seismic. No insulation. 

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On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum 
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Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP 
pipe?

 

When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet 
metal?  

 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

 

We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler 
main is too close to ductwork.  There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the 
ductwork. 

 

Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a 
reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. 

 

Has anyone run into something similar?

 

Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert 
the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC 
system. 

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