Dane, "shall be equipped throughout with an automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 (NFPA 13) or 903.3.1.2. (NPFA 13R)". Based on this wording, the sprinklers in the open exterior corridors are not required since you are providing sprinkler coverage throughout in accordance with the NFPA 13R standard. Just because there are sections that allow the omittance of sprinklers does not mean that the structure is not protected throughout. It is protected fully in accordance with the standard being used. 13R allows for bathrooms, closets, attics, etc.... to be omitted, does this make it's not fully sprinklered? No. It is sprinklered throughout per the requirements of that standard.
Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III Fire by Knight, LLC 208-318-3057 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dane Long via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 11:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Dane Long Subject: RE: Open or exterior corridors They reference section 1026.6 1026.6 Exterior stairway and ramp protection. Exterior exit stairways and ramps shall be separated from the interior of the building as required in Section 1022.2. Openings shall be limited to those necessary for egress from normally occupied spaces. And in particular Exception #4 4. Separation from the interior of the building is not required for exterior stairways or ramps connected to open-ended corridors, provided that Items 4.1 through 4.5 are met: 4.1. The building, including corridors, stairways or ramps, shall be equipped throughout with an automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 (NFPA 13) or 903.3.1.2. (NPFA 13R) Thanks, Dane Long, AET Engineering Technician | Bamford Fire Sprinkler Co., Inc. P: 785.825.7710 F: 785.825.0667 A: 1383 W. North Street Salina, KS 67401 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 11:43 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Mike Morey <mmo...@shambaugh.com> Subject: RE: Open or exterior corridors What in the IBC is requiring this, the only difference I'm aware of (which is no longer a difference at least in the last cycle or two) is that Type V construction requires protection of porch/patio/decks. I don't believe an exit corridor falls within those requirements? The intent was to counteract patio heaters/grills etc as a potential ignition source. Mike Morey CFPS 3229 . NICET S.E.T. 123677 Project Manager . Fire Protection Group Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company 7614 Opportunity Drive . Fort Wayne, IN . 46825 direct 260.487.7824 / cell 260.417.0625 / fax 260.487.7991 email mmo...@shambaugh.com -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Dane Long via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:38 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Dane Long <da...@bamfordfire.com> Subject: Open or exterior corridors BE ADVISED - This email originated outside EMCOR. I have a 13R project with exterior open corridors as seen in 13R (2016) Figure A.6.6.5(a). Per the IBC were being required to provide protection. Can I apply 6.6.5.1.1? 6.6.5.1.1 Where sidewall sprinklers are installed beneath decks or balconies constructed with open wood joists, sprinklers shall be permitted to be installed with deflectors not less than 1 in. (25 mm) or more than 6 in. (152 mm) below the structural members, provided that the deflector is not more than 14 in. (356 mm) below the underside surface of the deck. If so, does this restrict me from using EC head, since 13R only says "sidewall sprinklers" and since it's a combustible obstructed construction? Therefore, requiring a smooth flat ceiling. Thanks for your help in advance, Dane Long, AET Engineering Technician | Bamford Fire Sprinkler Co., Inc. P: 785.825.7710 F: 785.825.0667 A: 1383 W. North Street Salina, KS 67401 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:14 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL <craig.pr...@jacobs.com>; Matt Grise <m...@afpsprink.com>; Kevin Hall <kh...@firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Thread connection holding on one thread only The depth of engagement to form a leakproof connection is dependent on the pipe diameter and system pressure. For general talking purposes per ASME B1.20.1, for NPT pipes, a 1.25" pipe is shown as having 11.5 threads per inch with the typical hand tightening limitation at 4.5 turns for a depth of 0.42 inches (<5 threads). Past that to get to full engagement requires the use of a wrench. Effective length of thread is shown as 0.707 inches. So it's amazing that with only two threads for engagement it didn't come apart under the pressure test and stayed in place for 15 years. I would wonder if there are any other connections in a similar condition. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.jacobs.com__;!!FaxH778!JByPw1WZ48LniB 41DIoIfiJnySXCbZVFT8QpxPa9WEP920iNA-egD4MiEYOmc_KT$ 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:42 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise <m...@afpsprink.com>; Kevin Hall <kh...@firesprinkler.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Thread connection holding on one thread only If I recall from my book-learning days, there is a pretty well established minimum thread engagement that provides the full strength of a threaded connection. (maybe 3?). That may also only apply to bolts though. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:33 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Kevin Hall <kh...@firesprinkler.org> Subject: Re: Thread connection holding on one thread only I do not believe one is sufficient. I recall a project where the specification limited the maximum number of exposed threads to 2 or 3. I'd have to do some research to find the product/installation standard that was referenced. Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association kh...@firesprinkler.org 214-349-5971 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 2:16 AM Dan Arbel via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Dear Forum Members > > I have a case where 1.25" NPT pipe nipple was connected to 1.25" BSP > (as per British standard) pipe. > > Sprinkler System in interstitial space. > > There was only 2 threads engagement. > > After about 15 years somebody touched the a pipe and the connection > disengaged. > > I would appreciated the members opinion on the allegation that even > one thread engagement is sufficient providing sufficient strength. > > Dan Arbel > Dan Arbel Risk Engineering Ltd > Mail: d...@riskmanage.com > WEB SITE: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http > s*3a*2f*2fwww.riskmanage.com__;JSUl!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!XkU8cH2TMBKLQ2ZlRo > 1tisvmulk98nUEHNhgQ5Y2N2mjqKrtgbiQDgiMg-yghiPIMw$ > &c=E,1,rOBCJWaUiWX-Zi-j03j48v-ojODJ4zDjCTCn-XcTQUWSVSZzQRanv2vrdqlUogX > nkOECEYOqMT2eMuzN6PVEfyuVyVF6Hoz4BiV1VyGvBRCcljgZH2U,&typo=1 > Mobile: +972-52-6611337 > Tel: +972-4-8243337 > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http > *3a*2f*2flists.firesprinkler__;JSUl!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!XkU8cH2TMBKLQ2ZlRo > 1tisvmulk98nUEHNhgQ5Y2N2mjqKrtgbiQDgiMg-zXS7SC2A$ > .org%2flistinfo.cgi%2fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&c=E,1,RvPpy3ldS > C8kzu280ouAOq2QKBzNGfMu7REiocN-XOdCtouKzXB4EaUtnbHa1UoPns-R2H1fzQj-fW- > oIX3YW0Doh9ZL84fg3cNaQ0q1OQ,,&typo=1 > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http*3a*2f *2flists.firesprinkler.org*2flistinfo.cgi*https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/ /2fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org__;!!FaxH778!JByPw1WZ48LniB41DIoIfiJnySXC bZVFT8QpxPa9WEP920iNA-egD4MiEU7a5TFY$ &c=E,1,wikZY07kLJSV87o86Ivs1Jsxm4l75jKdQbbfbZ7tVZifvQRGY33Wh20_IAQ7wACFTF9yF LpxM-xqELTjxDST6UJ7dCl0WTqJP_LkvfP8qA,,&typo=1__;JSUlJSU!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!XkU 8cH2TMBKLQ2ZlRo1tisvmulk98nUEHNhgQ5Y2N2mjqKrtgbiQDgiMg-w4GyP2OA$ _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/spri nklerforum-firesprinkler.org__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!XkU8cH2TMBKLQ2ZlRo1tisvmulk9 8nUEHNhgQ5Y2N2mjqKrtgbiQDgiMg-w8lV3Y3w$ ________________________________ NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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