Keep in mind that Java is not Javascript & Javascript is not Java.  They 
are unrelated except for a very unfortunate choice of names.

sed des wrote:
> Remember that originally MS licenced Java from Sun.  They did not want 
> to pay them any more so in release I believe Win 1998 came out with 
> their 'proprietary' java.  They have since argued in Court that they do 
> not monopolize, so until her Honour decides the remedy that is where you 
> are.  MS manipulates file formats and calls with each Win release at 
> will so as to force the unknow on the unsuspecting to upgrade Win all 
> the time.
> 
> philcleve
> 
>  */Antonio Gallardo Rivera /*wrote:
> 
>     I agree with you Dieter, but dont agree to use closed Microsoft
>     specific
>     extension to JavaScript. I think this is why many people dont like
>     JavaScript, because there are many sites that always tell us:
> 
>     "You dont have MS IE installed Please download the it!".
> 
>     But this is not a valid reason to tell that JavaScript is not fair.
>     Javascript
>     is just a language to embed into HTML nothing more. But if you got
>     into the
>     close web of Microsoft in around JavaScript, then we will lose.
> 
>     I never hear someone telling that C or C++ even Java is not a good
>     language
>     just becaused they are closed to MS. This is ridiculous! But you
>     will got
>     into the MS tramp if you use the libraries (or sometimes called
>     "extensions)
>     of the specific language.
> 
>     There are many JavaScript libraries that works fine in Netscape or
>     Mozilla
>     compatible browsers. That means that are not tied to a specific
>     browers or
>     company.
> 
>     I hope you can got my point about that.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Antonio Gallardo.
> 
>     El Martes, 27 de Agosto de 2002 07:38, Dieter Simader escribi�:
>      > Frontends for the browser are split up. At the moment there are two
>      > directories which run code depending on which browser you use.
>      >
>      > bin/mozilla runs the framed version, run of the mill straight html
>      > bin/lynx is for the lynx browser
>      > most everything is linked to bin/mozilla except the menu
>      > is different
>      >
>      > bin/js is intended for Javascript code.
>      > bin/xterm is intended for the perl/Tk port
>      > bin/console is intended for a straight console port
>      >
>      > This way you are not forced to use any particular browser. If
>     there will
>      > ever be something specific for IE then I can always add bin/ie
>     and have
>      > all the IE code in this directory.
>      >
>      >
>      > Dieter Simader htt p://www.sql-ledger.org (780) 472-8161
>      > DWS Systems Inc. Accounting Software Fax: 478-5281
>      > =========== On a clear disk you can seek forever ===========
>      >
>      > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, John Summerfield wrote:
>      > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:03, Dieter Simader wrote:
>      > > > mozilla is a catch all do GUI browser framed frontend
>      > > >
>      > > >
>      > > > The Javascript port will go into bin/js and if one wants to run
>      > > > Javascript then you'd pass terminal=js The menu, which is
>     something
>      > > > like your traditional "File", "Edit" pulldown menu on top is
>     done but
>      > > > it requires a lot of horsepower to run.
>      > >
>      > > Please do not confuse the name of the browser with capabilities
>     it might
>      > > have. I can't use my bank's Internet banking website because it
>     uses
>      > > javascript with special processing for IE and Netscape and no
>     default.
>      > > The result is a blank page.
>      > >
>      > > Even js-capable browsers may have it turned off.
>      > >
>      > > I support the notion of supporting Javascript, but don't tie
>     its use to
>      > > any browser. If someone comes up with a js-capable lynx, let
>     them use it
>      > > with no messing around.
>      >
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