> > i have some pre_save automatic operations and decided MVC-like to
> > split them into 2 phases - a per-object validation-only that goes
> > at save(), and a per-flush set-up 2nd phase for putting
> > timestamps etc. The 2nd one is via
> > SessionExtension.before_flush().
> > i'm looking at the session state at that time:
> > - what is the list of all instances going to be changed?
> > something like
> > all = ses.new() + [ i for i in ses.dirty() if ses.modified(i) ]
>
> theres a method that tells you "is this *really* modified" called
> "session.is_modified(x)".
>
> > - would this include all relation-cascaded items or not?
>
> it wont include changes on foreign key columns nor every kind of
> "orphaned" object.
orphans i dont care, but the rest...
So at what time these are available - after_flush? or before_commit?

there isn't going to be deletion... and there isnt going to be much 
update either... both mostly mean insert new version, with all the 
many2many links copied anew.

i need to iterate over *all* would-be written-to-DB objects, and fix 
their timestamps. But maybe i need just the *new* objects - 
explicitly sess.added() or implicitly via relation.
would before_flush suffice for them?

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