Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately, it did not help. In any case, the 
issue appears to be that while the last query DOES return a record set when 
run as straight up SQL on the server, it does not work as desirecd through 
SQLAlchemy.

More digging to be done.

Greg--

On Monday, August 18, 2014 11:30:39 AM UTC-5, Simon King wrote:
>
> It looks like the code that runs the "SELECT default_schema_name" 
> query has changed since the version you are running: 
>
>   https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/commits/1fb4ad75a38c 
>
> It might be worth upgrading to the latest release. 
>
> Simon 
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Horcle <g...@umn.edu <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > Thanks, this does help. I was wondering why the return results had no 
> values 
> > given. 
> > 
> > Greg-- 
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, August 18, 2014 11:17:48 AM UTC-5, Simon King wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I think you are seeing, for each query: 
> >> 
> >> 1. The query itself 
> >> 2. The parameters being passed in to the query 
> >> 3. The names of the columns being returned 
> >> 4. The returned rows, if any. 
> >> 
> >> So for example, the first thing that happens is: 
> >> 
> >>     SELECT user_name() 
> >> 
> >> with no parameters 
> >> 
> >>     () 
> >> 
> >> returning a result set containing a single column with no name: 
> >> 
> >>     ('',) 
> >> 
> >> followed by a single row containing a single value, the unicode string 
> >> "dbo": 
> >> 
> >>     (u'dbo', ) 
> >> 
> >> The second query goes like this: 
> >> 
> >>              SELECT default_schema_name FROM 
> >>              sys.database_principals 
> >>              WHERE name = ? 
> >>              AND type = 'S' 
> >> 
> >> Note the bound parameter ("name = ?"). The next line tells us that SA 
> >> is sending the unicode string "dbo" for that parameter: 
> >> 
> >>     (u'dbo',) 
> >> 
> >> The result set has a single column called 'default_schema_name': 
> >> 
> >>     ('default_schema_name',) 
> >> 
> >> ...but there are no matching rows. 
> >> 
> >> Then a bit further along, SA is running this query: 
> >> 
> >>     SELECT [TABLES_1].[TABLE_NAME] 
> >>     FROM [INFORMATION_SCHEMA].[TABLES] AS [TABLES_1] 
> >>     WHERE [TABLES_1].[TABLE_SCHEMA] = CAST(? AS NVARCHAR(max)) AND 
> >>     [TABLES_1].[TABLE_TYPE] = ? ORDER BY [TABLES_1].[TABLE_NAME] 
> >> 
> >> ...passing the parameters "dbo" and "BASE TABLE", but not getting any 
> >> results back. 
> >> 
> >> I don't know anything about MS-SQL so can't tell you why that is, but 
> >> perhaps you've got enough information to carry on digging? 
> >> 
> >> Hope that helps, 
> >> 
> >> Simon 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Horcle <g...@umn.edu> wrote: 
> >> > Indeed! 
> >> > 
> >> > Here is the output: 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > gms$ python test_connect.py 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,095 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine SELECT 
> >> > user_name() 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,095 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine () 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,097 DEBUG sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine Col ('',) 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,098 DEBUG sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine Row 
> (u'dbo', 
> >> > ) 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,099 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine 
> >> >             SELECT default_schema_name FROM 
> >> >             sys.database_principals 
> >> >             WHERE name = ? 
> >> >             AND type = 'S' 
> >> > 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,099 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine (u'dbo',) 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,101 DEBUG sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine Col 
> >> > ('default_schema_name',) 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,103 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine SELECT 
> >> > CAST('test 
> >> > plain returns' AS VARCHAR(60)) AS anon_1 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,103 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine () 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,106 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine SELECT 
> >> > CAST('test 
> >> > unicode returns' AS NVARCHAR(60)) AS anon_1 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,106 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine () 
> >> > <sqlalchemy.engine.base.Connection object at 0x101839490> 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,382 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine select 6 * 
> 7 
> >> > as 
> >> > [Result]; 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,382 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine () 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,384 DEBUG sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine Col 
> >> > ('Result',) 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,384 DEBUG sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine Row (42, 
> ) 
> >> > 42 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,389 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine SELECT 
> >> > [TABLES_1].[TABLE_NAME] 
> >> > FROM [INFORMATION_SCHEMA].[TABLES] AS [TABLES_1] 
> >> > WHERE [TABLES_1].[TABLE_SCHEMA] = CAST(? AS NVARCHAR(max)) AND 
> >> > [TABLES_1].[TABLE_TYPE] = ? ORDER BY [TABLES_1].[TABLE_NAME] 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,389 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine (u'dbo', 
> >> > 'BASE 
> >> > TABLE') 
> >> > 2014-08-18 10:17:28,394 DEBUG sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine Col 
> >> > ('TABLE_NAME',) 
> >> > A 
> >> > 
> >> > Not quite sure how to parse this? 
> >> > 
> >> > For example,  is "u'dbo'" what is being used as the schema? 
> >> > 
> >> > Greg-- 
> >> > 
> >> > On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:05:09 AM UTC-5, Simon King wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Horcle <g...@umn.edu> wrote: 
> >> >> > On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:28:41 PM UTC-5, Michael Bayer wrote: 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Greg Silverman <g...@umn.edu> 
> wrote: 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Then, I thought, what if this is an SQLAlchemy issue. Looks to 
> be. I 
> >> >> >> ran 
> >> >> >> the following script as a test: 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> import pyodbc 
> >> >> >> import sqlalchemy 
> >> >> >> from sqlalchemy.engine import reflection 
> >> >> >> from sqlalchemy.engine.reflection import Inspector 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> def connect(): 
> >> >> >>     return pyodbc.connect( 
> >> >> >> 'DRIVER={FreeTDS};SERVER=<ip_address>;' 
> >> >> >> 'DATABASE=<db_name>;UID=test;PWD=test;port=1433;' 
> >> >> >> 'TDS_Version=9.1;') 
> >> >> >> engine = sqlalchemy.create_engine('mssql://', creator=connect) 
> >> >> >> conn = engine.connect() 
> >> >> >> print conn 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> for row in engine.execute('select 6 * 7 as [Result];'): 
> >> >> >>     print row.Result 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> insp = reflection.Inspector.from_engine(engine) 
> >> >> >> table_name = 'irb_desc' 
> >> >> >> table_names = insp.get_table_names() 
> >> >> >> if table_name not in table_names: 
> >> >> >>     print 'A' 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Again, I am connecting fine with the database create.engine 
> method 
> >> >> >> (that 
> >> >> >> is '42' is printing as expected), but when I run the 
> >> >> >> inspector.get_table_names method with the given conditional it is 
> >> >> >> printing 
> >> >> >> the 'A' (I have tried other table names in the same database to 
> >> >> >> which I 
> >> >> >> added 'irbd_balance,' all with the same result. 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> what is the SQL output if you set echo=‘debug’;   then, take the 
> SQL 
> >> >> >> you 
> >> >> >> see and take a look at what it’s SELECTing so you can see what 
> might 
> >> >> >> be 
> >> >> >> wrong.  Probably some schema name setting or something like that. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Thanks, I did not realize this was an option (actually, it is 
> >> >> > echo=True, 
> >> >> > but 
> >> >> > at least I can see the SQL being sent). Hopefully this will lead 
> me 
> >> >> > to 
> >> >> > an 
> >> >> > answer. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> "echo='debug'" will show you more information than "echo=True" (it 
> >> >> shows the rows coming back as well as the query that is sent) 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Simon 
> >> > 
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