Sorry, I will clarify what I was asking. If I had my class example from 
above:

class A(Base):
    foo = Column(String)
    bar = Column(String)
    foo_updated = Column(DateTime, onupdate=update_fn) # Should only update 
when foo is updated

Based on what information is in the context, sometimes I may not want to 
update the value. However, my understanding is that onupdate_fn *must* 
return a value always. 

Given that we need to return a value from onupdate_fn, one idea I had was 
to return a value to emit:
 UPDATE A SET bar="new value", foo_updated=A.foo_updated WHERE id = 1

If we can somehow specify "set foo_updated to whatever value it already is" 
in SQL land, then we should be set! However, I tried some variations of 
this:
- `return 'foo_updated'`
- `return '"foo_updated"'
- `return A.foo_updated`
- `return A.__table__.c.foo_updated`

and none of these ended up working. Do you know if there's a way to specify 
an onupdate function to return a SQL column?

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 2:49:56 PM UTC-7, Mike Bayer wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:26 PM Tony Cao <to...@benchling.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > 
> > Ohh I see thanks for the help! 
> > 
> > And just to confirm on the onupdate front, is it not possible to return 
> the current value of the object being updated? It's ok to emit an 
> extraneous update if the value doesn't change. 
>
> inside the onupdate handler you can see the current statement and the 
> parameters in the context, as far as the "a_1" thing, the parameters 
> for the columns being SET should be the same keys as the column 
> itself, it's the WHERE clause where you'd see the underscore thing 
> happening.    show me what you get if you want to work with that. 
>
>
>
>
> > 
> > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 5:30:06 PM UTC-7, Mike Bayer wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:10 PM Tony Cao <to...@benchling.com> wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> > I mean query.update(). 
> >> > 
> >> > Ah our goal was to make it so the update in question happened 
> automatically without the developer having to explicitly specify it - in 
> that case both obj.attr = x and obj_class.query.update({obj.attr: x}) 
> should both trigger an update to obj.attr_modified. That's why I initially 
> asked about onupdate, as it is triggered for both cases. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> for query.update() you can use the before_compile_update() and modify 
> >> the context.values dictionary in place to affect the UPDATE statement 
> >> generated by query.update().   See 
> >> 
> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/orm/events.html?highlight=before_compile_update#sqlalchemy.orm.events.QueryEvents.before_compile_update.
>  
>
> >>   Additional detail regarding .values will be up within 30 minutes. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 2:38:19 PM UTC-7, Mike Bayer wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Bulk query updates, you mean, query.update() ?   Or 
> >> >> session.bulk_update_mappings() ?    In both cases you are 
> >> >> programatically providing the VALUES clause, so you know from your 
> own 
> >> >> data what the UPDATE statement will be. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 4:14 PM Tony Cao <to...@benchling.com> 
> wrote: 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Ah but it also looks like the before_update event isn't triggered 
> when doing bulk query updates, which we'd like to also update on. Is there 
> a way to track those? 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7, Mike Bayer wrote: 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> you can inspect() the object and look at 
> inspect(obj).attrs['some_attr'].history 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/orm/internals.html#sqlalchemy.orm.state.AttributeState
>  
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:14 PM Tony Cao <to...@benchling.com> 
> wrote: 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Hi, 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Thanks for the response! I also tried looking into 
> before_update, but is there a recommended way to figure out what columns 
> are being updated from that event? I had found this post (
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15642286/how-can-i-get-a-sqlalchemy-orm-objects-previous-state-after-a-db-update)
>  
> that suggests looking at the history of the attribute state - is there a 
> better way? 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 7:55:44 AM UTC-7, Mike Bayer 
> wrote: 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:18 PM Tony Cao <to...@benchling.com> 
> wrote: 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Hi all, 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Is there way to use Column.onupdate conditionally? For 
> example, say I have: 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > class A(Base): 
> >> >> >> >> >     foo = Column(String) 
> >> >> >> >> >     bar = Column(String) 
> >> >> >> >> >     foo_updated = Column(DateTime, onupdate=update_fn) # 
> Should only update when foo is updated 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > def update_fn(context): 
> >> >> >> >> >     if ...: # How can I check if only foo was updated? 
> >> >> >> >> >         return datetime.now() 
> >> >> >> >> >     else: 
> >> >> >> >> >         return ... # How can I say to not update? 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Is there a way to define update_fn to only update 
> foo_updated when foo changes? I can look at 
> context.get_current_parameters() to see what columns are being used in the 
> compiled statement, but it doesn't explicitly say which columns are the 
> ones actually being updated; for example, if I have 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > A.query.filter(A.bar == 'test').update({A.foo: 'new'}, 
> synchronize_session=False) 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > then context.get_current_parameters will return a dict with 
> keys for both 'bar' and 'foo', although it looks like it suffixes the 
> filter param with a '_1' - is that something I can rely on to know if a 
> column is used as a filter instead of an update? And beyond that, is there 
> a way I can specify to not update the column? 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Alternatively, is there another approach recommended to 
> doing this? 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> the most common way is to use the ORM level before_update 
> event: 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/orm/events.html?highlight=before_update#sqlalchemy.orm.events.MapperEvents.before_update
>  
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> there's also before_execute() at the Core level, but before 
> the UPDATE 
> >> >> >> >> statement is even written, e.g. at the ORM level, is the best 
> way. 
> >> >> >> >> Once you are in the onupdate Python function, you have to 
> return a 
> >> >> >> >> value, as this occurs well after the UPDATE statement has been 
> >> >> >> >> compiled. 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks! 
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