this is also exactly how its documented, it explicitly mentions PostgreSQL and SERIAL, see below. How did you come to be using the optional=True flag otherwise?
https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/core/defaults.html?highlight=sequence#sqlalchemy.schema.Sequence.params.optional "boolean value, when `True`, indicates that this `Sequence` <https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/core/defaults.html?highlight=sequence#sqlalchemy.schema.Sequence> object only needs to be explicitly generated on backends that don’t provide another way to generate primary key identifiers. Currently, it essentially means, “don’t create this sequence on the PostgreSQL backend, where the SERIAL keyword creates a sequence for us automatically”. On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Mike Bayer wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, at 7:54 PM, zsol...@gmail.com wrote: >> Thanks for all the answers. >> >> > add autoincrement=False to the Column >> >> This is actually all I needed, but possibly my findings can help others or >> provide improvements. >> >> I'm not using drop_alll and create_all, but table.create() and this results >> in the "relation "some_seq" already exists" error. >> >> 99% your snippet, just using create: >> >> from sqlalchemy import Column >> from sqlalchemy import Integer >> from sqlalchemy import MetaData >> from sqlalchemy import Sequence >> from sqlalchemy import Table >> >> m = MetaData() >> >> seq = Sequence("some_seq") >> t1 = Table("t1", m, Column("id", Integer, seq, primary_key=True)) >> t2 = Table("t2", m, Column("id", Integer, seq, primary_key=True)) >> >> t1.create(pg_engine) >> t2.create(pg_engine)** >> >> > To render "IF NOT EXISTS" then just invoke the SQL: >> > conn.execute(text("CREATE SEQ IF NOT EXISTS ...")) >> >> So in this example, how could I avoid creating the sequence? I'd be happy to >> create it once, or not at all, but it seems that table create tries to >> create the sequence automatically, no matter what. > > send checkfirst=True to each create() call. > >> >> The schema bug was actually the behaviour of the optional=True. I still >> don't know what it does, but it behaves like if the whole sequence line >> wouldn't be present. It just makes the column a SERIAL type and then >> PostgreSQL auto-creates the sequence in the table's schema, not in public. >> So with optional=True basically nothing matters, nor the sequence's name, >> not the sequence's schema? > > optional=True is used for when you want your database table to have a > SEQUENCE created on Oracle and Firebird, which until recently have no syntax > for an implicit primary key generator, but on all other databases you don't > want an explicit SEQUENCE created. This essentially means, "don't create > the sequence on PostgreSQL, use SERIAL instead". > > This dynamic is going to be changing soon as most of these databases are now > supporting the GENERATED AS IDENTITY syntax and we'll be adding support for > that in 1.4. > > > > > >> >> Zsolt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 5 August 2020 at 17:36:00 UTC+2 Mike Bayer wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Zsolt Ero wrote: >>>> But this would create a different id for each table, wouldn't it? >>> >>> >>> if you want two tables to have the same sequence then use one Sequence >>> object for both. If the Sequence is present on the Column it will not >>> create SERIAL. I've tried to document this right at the top here: >>> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/dialects/postgresql.html#sequences-serial-identity >>> . Here's a POC with all the things I think you've mentioned so far: >>> >>> from sqlalchemy import Column >>> from sqlalchemy import create_engine >>> from sqlalchemy import Integer >>> from sqlalchemy import MetaData >>> from sqlalchemy import Sequence >>> from sqlalchemy import Table >>> >>> >>> m = MetaData(schema="test_schema") >>> >>> seq = Sequence("some_seq", schema="public") >>> t1 = Table( >>> "t1", >>> m, >>> Column( >>> "id", Integer, seq, primary_key=True >>> ), >>> ) >>> >>> t2 = Table( >>> "t2", >>> m, >>> Column( >>> "id", Integer, seq, primary_key=True >>> ), >>> ) >>> >>> e = create_engine("postgresql://scott:tiger@localhost/test", echo=True) >>> >>> m.drop_all(e) >>> m.create_all(e) >>> >>> with e.connect() as conn: >>> conn.execute(t1.insert()) >>> conn.execute(t2.insert()) >>> >>> assert conn.scalar(seq.next_value()) == 3 >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd >>>> like to use the same ids for matching rows, such that table A's >>>> primary key is the same as table B's primary key, so that they can >>>> join-ed together like when it was a single table. >>>> >>>> So far the only solution I found is to remove primary_key=True and >>>> issue an ALTER TABLE ... ADD PRIMARY KEY (...) command manually. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 15:20, Mike Bayer <mik...@zzzcomputing.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Zsolt Ero wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > I've split a table into two tables, for performance reasons. I'd like to >>>> > insert into both tables using the same sequence. I'm inserting using >>>> > executemany_mode='values'. >>>> > >>>> > My idea is to call nextval() on the sequence before insert and fill in >>>> > the values client side, before inserting. >>>> > >>>> > select nextval('mysql') FROM generate_series(1,...) >>>> > >>>> > Everything looks good, except for the default behaviour of SQLAlchemy to >>>> > turn an integer + pk column into a SERIAL. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > add autoincrement=False to the Column >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > As an alternative I'm also looking at using Sequence('myseq') from >>>> > https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/dialects/postgresql.html#sequences-serial-identity, >>>> > but this is broken for issuing "CREATE SEQUENCE myseq" before the table >>>> > creation, which is missing the IF NOT EXISTS part. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > there's a "checkfirst" flag on Sequence.create() or Table.create() that >>>> > will check for the object ahead of time, using a separate query. 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