(Top-posting, sorry.) What gives is that dbdebunk.com is effectively a fanboy site that has gone too far and it should generally be ignored; it is not official and has about as much to do with Date or The Third Manifesto as a rabid fan site for some TV show or sport has to do with the creators of that show or sport.
The *official* site of C.J.Date, and Hugh Darwen, is http://thethirdmanifesto.com/ . It is just these two that co-authored The Third Manifesto. This web site is reasonably civilized and is where you want to look. (Also, all the electronic material there is free.) Date and Darwen are very reasonable people; don't let Pascal drag them down. On a tangent, C.J.Date continues to write books, which are quite useful. For example, the latest one is "SQL and Relational Theory", http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596523060/ , which among other things illustrates how to better make use of the SQL DBMSs we already have. -- Darren Duncan P Kishor wrote: > from the recent thread on "what is a relation," I followed Jay's > suggestion and started reading up on relational division (an article > by Celko at http://www.dbazine.com/ofinterest/oi-articles/celko1). > That led me to reading up more on CJ Date, to an interview of Date at > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/07/29/cjdate.html which > led me to Fabian Pascal's http://www.dbdebunk.com/index.html. > > I came back less than overwhelmed. I found a lot of ranting on DB > Debunk generally converging toward, "if you need to ask questions > about SQL then you are an idiot and need to go back to the drawing > board and read up some good, dry, humorless books" (I am > paraphrasing). Most of it was bashing some poor woman named Dawn > Wolthuis and even calling Celko an idiot. > > I have no doubt that Date is a big man in SQL history. I am not so > sure about Fabian Pascal's pedigree other than that he was an > associate of Date and Codd. Nevertheless, I am not quite taken by > their penchant to bandy the "idiot" label so liberally. I spent a > couple of hours on dbdebunk.com website, which is horrible to read in > its attractiveness and design, and frankly came back not very > informed... for most things it seemed to offer a, "go back, read up, > get a degree, then come and ask questions" kind of attitude. I am none > the wiser about multivalue databases, trees, or n-normal form. > > Give me Dennis Cote, Roger Binns, Kees Nuyt, and Jay Kreibich any > day... or, just give me Igor Tantednik... over these other SQL "gods" > (gods spelled in lowercase). > > What gives? _______________________________________________ sqlite-users mailing list [email protected] http://sqlite.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
