> It strikes me that
> SELECT pos FROM t_x WHERE txt BETWEEN 'x1' AND 'x2'
> needs to be operating on the results returned by
> SELECT * FROM t_x BY ORDER BY pos
> ie another level of query is required but I'm not sure of how you insert it.

I don't understand what you are talking about here. You should write
it like this:

SELECT pos FROM t_x WHERE txt BETWEEN 'x1' AND 'x2' ORDER BY pos;


Pavel


On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:02 PM, e-mail mgbg25171
<mgbg25...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Thx for your suggestion...
> Yes "BY ORDER BY pos" has to be in there somewhere.
> It strikes me that
> SELECT pos FROM t_x WHERE txt BETWEEN 'x1' AND 'x2'
> needs to be operating on the results returned by
> SELECT * FROM t_x BY ORDER BY pos
> ie another level of query is required but I'm not sure of how you insert it.
> I'll have a play.
>
>
>
> On 1 July 2011 16:12, Pavel Ivanov <paiva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > What I want to do is...make sure that when I say BETWEEN I really mean eg
>> > BETWEEN x1 and x2 when you look at the table as if it's ordered by pos
>> and
>> > not rowid.
>>
>> So, can you add "ORDER BY pos" to your queries?
>>
>>
>> Pavel
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:04 AM, e-mail mgbg25171
>> <mgbg25...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Thank you all for your responses.
>> > I had to go out after posting and have just come back.
>> > My concern is with...
>> > SELECT pos FROM t_x WHERE txt BETWEEN 'x1' AND 'x2'
>> > and
>> > SELECT pos FROM t_y WHERE txt BETWEEN 'y1' AND 'y2'.
>> >
>> > t_x and t_y are dimension tables.
>> > that hold the x and y margins of a spreadsheet.
>> > The margins will have an implied order shown by pos
>> > which will differ from the order in which rows are added (represented by
>> > rowid).
>> >
>> > What I want to do is...make sure that when I say BETWEEN I really mean eg
>> > BETWEEN x1 and x2 when you look at the table as if it's ordered by pos
>> and
>> > not rowid. I hope that helps explain why pos exists and is not rowid i.e.
>> I
>> > want to be able to "insert" and "delete" records "!in between" the
>> existing
>> > ones or at least make it look like that even if the records are
>> physically
>> > appended to the tables.
>> > Hope this clarifies things and look forward to your thoughts.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1 July 2011 15:30, Pavel Ivanov <paiva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> Putting the 'ORDER BY' clause in view won't work?
>> >> >
>> >> > It will work just fine, in that the results you see will appear in the
>> >> ORDER you asked for.
>> >>
>> >> I believe that's not always true and is not required by SQL standard.
>> >> Most probably 'select * from view_name' will return rows in the order
>> >> written in the view. But 'select * from view_name where some_column =
>> >> some_value' can already return rows in completely different order. And
>> >> 'select * from table_name, view_name where some_condition' will almost
>> >> certainly ignore any ORDER BY in the view.
>> >>
>> >> So ORDER BY in the view doesn't guarantee you anything.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Pavel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Simon Slavin <slav...@bigfraud.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On 1 Jul 2011, at 3:07pm, Alessandro Marzocchi wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> 2011/7/1 Simon Slavin <slav...@bigfraud.org>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 11:20am, Alessandro Marzocchi wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Isn't it possible to use a view for that?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You can use a VIEW if you want, but VIEWs don't sort the table
>> either.
>> >>  A
>> >> >>> VIEW is just a way of saving a SELECT query.  When you consult the
>> VIEW
>> >> >>> SQLite executes the SELECT.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Putting the 'ORDER BY' clause in view won't work?
>> >> >
>> >> > It will work just fine, in that the results you see will appear in the
>> >> ORDER you asked for.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, it has no influence on how data is stored.  In fact no table
>> >> data is stored for a VIEW at all.  The thing stored is the parameters
>> given
>> >> when you created the VIEW.  Every time you refer to a VIEW in a SQL
>> >> statement SQL goes back and looks at the VIEW specification again.
>> >> >
>> >> > Simon.
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