Tue, 5 Sep 2017 23:06:22 +0200
Remko Tronçon <re...@el-tramo.be> wrote:

> This couples presence (and the roster) even more tightly with
> messaging than it already is.

I agree that presences and rosters are second-class citizens in modern
IM world. We could use another stuff (like a requirement to accept or
reject the very first message received from a contact, like this is
done in Whatsapp for example, maybe in other popular IMs too), but this
is incompatible with what we currently have.
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