Thanks! These are awesome! On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 19:10 Tedd Sterr, <teddst...@outlook.com> wrote:
> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-03-21/#16:00:28 > > Dave warns he's on a train and may not manage to achieve all 4 of the > necessary Gs. > > *1) Roll Call* > Dave orders bacon and cheese, Georg wants the same; Sam wants cheese on > all the things. > > Present: Dave, Georg, Sam, Kev. > AWOL: Daniel > > *.) For fork's sake, can somebody else take the minutes?* > > The mystery continues.. > > *2) Advance XEP-0066 to Final* - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html > > Dave: -1 (don't think it meets the implementation criteria) > Kev: -1 (not clear we satisfied the implementation requirements, even > ignoring all the other issues onlist) > Georg: -1 (looks like there was some major resistance; good candidate for > the "take the best parts and run") > Sam: +1 (seems "good enough"; there's a bit of awkwardness, "take the best > parts and run" sounds good) > Daniel: [pending] > > *3) Advance XEP-0048 to Final* - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html > > Dave notes there is a competing proposal in bookmarks2 (agendum 4) > > Georg: -1 > Dave: -1 (to advance; would rather move this to historical again) > Sam: +1 (to freeze as final; or +1 to move to historical) > Kev: -1 (not clear that two independent implementations exist, plus > assorted issues) > Daniel: [pending] > > *4) Adopt Proposal "Bookmarks 2 (This Time it's Serious)"* - > https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks2.html > > Kev in favour of reverting 48 to iq:private, make it Historical, and > advance Bookmarks 2 in PIP. > Dave is happy if the title is changed, but it'd be good if '48's title > changed at the same time. > > Georg: +1 (want to see where Bookmarks2TTiS leads) > Sam: +1 > Kev: +1 > Dave: +1 (obviously) > Daniel: [pending] > > Kev suggests changing 48's title to "Bookmarks in Private Storage", and > Bookmarks 2 to "Bookmarks in Pubsub (or something)". > Sam would be against reverting to private storage. > Kev says this is just documenting what's in place; Dave says it does seem > that's what's implemented. > > *5) XEP-0050 Ad-Hoc Commands: Clarify 'execute' actions equivalence* - > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/591 > > Note: This is an alternative to #598 (agendum 6) > > Kev recommends changing 0050 either to clarify there's a bad state, or > change the text to avoid the bad state; > though Flow's (#591) is the technically better change, it is a breaking > change to xep50, while Kev's change (#598) is just clarifying that if you > do something in particular, you're being stupid. > Kev answers Dave's query of whether it's a breaking change in theory or > practice, that this is the result of people doing silly things in practice; > Georg suggests it might be better to fix things in practice then. > Kev votes -1 for #591 as-is because it should explain the breaking change > (breaking changes to Draft XEPs should be avoided), but could be persuaded > on the basic approach. > Georg argues that if people didn't realise the problem existed, a breaking > change to the XEP describing better behaviour also should improve things > without being a problem. > Sam votes +1, agreeing that an explanation (of the breaking change) would > be useful. > Dave isn't sure it is a breaking change as it fixes previously broken > behaviour; Kev and Georg clarify it would mean a change in behaviour such > that the new/updated implementations could interact with old/broken servers. > Georg votes +1 if a note could be added similar to the one added to 0045 > last week. > Dave isn't convinced it's entirely a breaking change and votes +1 for both > #591 and #598. > Sam thinks it's worth taking the opportunity to clear up the issue. > > In a dramatic change of events, Kev decides both PRs might be wrong. > Georg is understandably lost. > Everybody changes their votes and decides it's best to have a chance to > reinvestigate and vote for both PRs on-list. > > Dave: -1 > Georg: [to vote on-list] > Sam: [to vote on-list] > Kev: -1 (to vote on-list, but default to -1 until further notice) > Daniel: [pending] > > *6) XEP-0050. Try to clarify usage of 'execute'* - > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/598 > > Note: This is an alternative to #591 (agendum 5) > > Discussion and votes were mixed-in with discussion of agendum 5 (see > above). > > Dave: -1 > Georg: [to vote on-list] > Sam: [to vote on-list] > Kev: -1 (to vote on-list, but default to -1 until further notice) > Daniel: [pending] > > *7) XEP-0223: Add a warning about publish-options support* - > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/608 > > Georg notes the PR comes with a notice about making discovery a MUST and > asks whether that can also be voted on. > Kev and Dave compete for bragging rights over who was first to veto their > own PR. > Kev makes a note to Editor that PEP needs to change to Pubsub in this PR > before merge, as this isn't storing anything in PEP. > > Kev: +1 (provisional on SHOULD/MUST and PEP/Pubsub, to speed things along) > Dave: -1 (prefer MUST check discovery and I'm find with changing it to > Pubsub) > Sam: +1 > Georg: +1 > Daniel: [pending] > > Dave, who originally voted +1, now holds the PR hostage to ensure his > demands are met (will change to a +1 the moment the MUST happens.) > > *8) Next Meeting* > Note: Much of Europe observes daylight saving time at 01:00 on 2018-03-25, > advancing +1 hour. > > 15:15Z is agreed (10:15 CDT; 11:15 EDT; 16:15 BST; 17:15 CEST; 18:15 > UTC+3). > > *9) AOB* > Dave hopes there is none as his train is arriving. > Georg wanted to vote on abolishing Pidgin. > > *10) Close* > Thanks all round. > > Georg feels cheated out of the opportunity to vote on *anything.* > Sam suggests a motion for all future XSF business to be conducted in Latin. > > _______________________________________________ > Standards mailing list > Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards > Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org > _______________________________________________ >
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