* Sam Whited <s...@samwhited.com> [2020-05-23 15:40]: > On Sat, May 23, 2020, at 06:24, Mathieu Pasquet wrote: > > Sorry for the necromancer update, but would it not make sense to allow > > stanza-id elements as children to the <spam/> and <abuse/> elements?
Yeah, that's actually what also came to my mind as an easy and straight-forward way to significantly improve the usefulness of 0377 for server admins. > I think that including a stanza-id is probably "good enough", but I'm > also a little worried about the fact that you would then only be able to > report recent messages, which feels like it would be unexpected and > could make training a spam filter less easy. I'm not sure when you would come into a situation where you don't report a spam message in a timely manner but let it sit there for multiple weeks. > I'm now wondering if it makes sense to forward the entire original > message and just trust that it's not all that easy to abuse [...] This is a very short and very slippery slope. I'm sure that you are aware of the coordinated attacks on centralized social networks where trolls mass-report accounts that they disagree with. It's okay to block a certain sender JID on your own account without any evidence, but I'm really hesitant to create an instrument that has even a small chance of feeding forged evidence to server administrators. Running a public server is hard enough already without having to investigate such anti-abuse abuse, and I'm pretty sure that the "paid xmpp DDoS" sellers will quickly adopt if you give them such a stick to wield. Georg
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