Except that he has a track record of eventually delivering (late, and not as
cheaply as originally thought, but delivering)
David Lang
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Dave Collier-Brown via Starlink wrote:
Mr Musk reminds me of a salesperson I once worked with, who first sold
himself on all the impossible things GCOS could do better that OS/360, and
then set out to convince customers. The occasional customer would ask if he
was barking mad (;-)) Others merely assumed we just hired liars as salesmen.
--dave
On 8/30/22 20:32, David P. Reed via Starlink wrote:
Then Elon Musk is making proposals in bad faith, because he is leading people
to believe that his system can do stuff it clearly cannot do.
Which they proved when they failed to meet the requirements of the US rural
service funding program, after claiming they could.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 8:12pm, "David Lang"
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> said:
I have no problems with people making technical arguments saying that there
are
limitations on the service that Starlink can provide (I may argue technical
specifics or point out things I think you miss, but I won't claim that you
are
arguing in bad faith), but when someone then goes beyond that and says that
what
it can provide is a level that's unacceptable to Americans or dismissing it
because fiber is better, then I'll respond and say that the person is
arguing in
bad faith.
David Lang
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, David P. Reed wrote:
> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 19:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
> From: David P. Reed <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
> To: Brandon Butterworth
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
> Cc: David Lang <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>, Brandon Butterworth
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>,
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread"
>
>
> I wasn't starting a discussion about Starlink the business. I was talking
about Starlink the technology and the "dreams" that people project onto
that
technology.
>
> I'm happy if the current customers are happy and remain happy. Just
pointing
out that there are pretty severe limitations in the physical capabilities
of the
technology of the satellites and dishys that will limit how many customers
can be
served in an area.
>
> I was reacting to the idea Dave Taht brought up that somehow the
satellites
can cover "more" area per satellite, if they go to a lower total bit rate
(175 vs.
240 per antenna on each satellite).
>
> I'm a radio engineer, trained in stuff like phased array antenna designs,
and
power, etc. I'm also a communications protocol engineer, trained in
multiplexing
techniques.
>
> I'm not saying Starlink engineers are incompetent, but I am saying that
what
Musk (who despite the fact that he pretends to be an engineer is not one,
never
has been one) has described in his visionary speeches is not what Starlink
is
delivering today, and that's because it basically can't be delivered.
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