I have been learning/using Stripes for a year. I am always amazed how wonderful and cool development is with it. I thank Freddy for his support and all other involved for creating Stripes and maintaining it to this point. I am saddened greatly to hear of a potential decline in the framework! I am about ready to jump into a huge project armed with Stripes and look forward to accomplishing something great.
We can't let this great framework die!!!! Thanks! Joaquin Valdez On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Freddy Daoud wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been thinking about this topic for quite some time now and, > admittedly, have been "avoiding" it.. but now that the discussion has > been sparked, I can't hide my head in the sand anymore. > > I am happy to see the responses to Nikolaos's post. Some very good > points are made. > > Most of these concerns are known to the community, but the problems > remain: > > * the web site is dry and lacks visual appeal. this has been discussed > time and again and we can't find anyone with the artistic talent, the > time, and the will to redesign the site. > > * development is not as active as it used to be. i think the framework > has somewhat peaked because it is, for the most part, > feature-complete. > > * my own involvement in the framework has been reduced to answering > questions on the mailing list. don't get me wrong--i am not claiming > that i was ever one of the main developers. clearly, Tim and Ben are. > But, when I was working on the book, I was also developing > professionally with Stripes, and the two combined made me very > interested in Stripes' features. A few of the tweaks that made it into > the 1.5 release were directly related to writing the book. > > * more on the previous point: I still develop professionally with > Stripes, but have not much interest in any major new features. The > current trunk suits me fine. Any "nice-to-haves" I consider not part > of the core framework, and I put them in Rayures. > > * I fully agree with the full-stack idea. This is what Rayures does. > In one minute, you can set up a Stripes project that is ready to run > with Maven, Tomcat plugin, Spring, Hibernate, JPA, Log4J, and TestNG. > > * about the lack of developer activity: I think we need some new > blood. I can't speak for Ben, but I think it is too much to ask of him > being almost the sole developer. Personally, I gave my all to write > the book, improve the documentation, contribute to the framework when > I could, write articles (e.g. The Server Side), write blog posts, post > links on DZone, get book reviews, promote Stripes on forums.. But now > I am *burnt out*. As I mentioned earlier, I still answer questions on > the mailing list when I can, but other than that, I need to just be a > happy Stripes *user*. > > * more on the previous point: I think there are several people who are > quite skillful, sharp, and competent who would make great developers > for Stripes. I think we need a group of those people to step up and > keep the framework alive. Several names come to mind, but I won't name > them because I don't want to offend anyone by omission, nor do I want > to put anyone on the spot. > > * yes I know it is lame when someone says "I'd like feature X" and the > reply is "ok then why don't you implement it?" but sometimes the > person actually says "I did implement it! can you add my code?" But > the problem remains that someone needs to validate the code, decide if > it belongs in the core (lest we bloat the framework, something we've > been trying to avoid and shoud continue to resist), and so on. This is > the job of a "core" group of developers who have the Stripes > philosophy at heart. Unfortunately, since the departure of Tim, this > core seems to have disintegrated. No disrespect at all to Tim by the > way, he created a truly awesome framework and gave me an awesome topic > to write about. I certainly don't blame him for having moved on. > > Before this post gets too long (too late!) I guess in conclusion, we > all agree that Stripes needs more steam in terms of development, > marketing, spreading the good word, blogging, revamping the site, > developing bells and whistles--extensions that make you go "wow" but > keeping them outside the core. > > Stripes needs more activity. The question is, who is willing to invest > themselves into this goal? Who is willing to take over, for the future > of Stripes? > > If there is enough response, how do we "hand over the reigns"? > > Cheers, > Freddy > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: > > Show off your parallel programming skills. > Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd > _______________________________________________ > Stripes-users mailing list > Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users Joaquin Valdez joaqu...@mind.net (541) 690-8593 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. 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