I'd love to volunteer - but not sure if I'll be able to handle the job all
on my own. My kids need shoes too...
I'll be happy to coordinate this - but would appreciate if anyone has
particulary strong feelings about a thread being covered, they should throw
me a line directly on it. Given the traffic on this list, I'll likely not
be able to read every message every day...
Maybe we can use an [EDITOR] flash in the subject if someone wants to get
my attention or something...
Kevin
Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/07/2002 01:29:41 PM
Please respond to "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: (bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife)
Subject: Re: [WANTED] Struts Editor for Jakarta Newsletter
We're getting a little bit off topic here, but the typical reply to a
posting like this is going to be "Thanks for volunteering".
Many places have been provided where someone "can spend some time going
over the issues that the people who are using struts in the real world"
have. All that's missing is a person. I put together a lists of what I
thought some of the current threads (now) were
http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/newbie.html
and any time someone wants to send along some XML, I'd be happy to apply
the patch.
Once upon a time, we also put together some things just linking to the
threads, which worked fairly well.
http://www.husted.com/struts/FAQ/model-threads.htm
http://www.husted.com/struts/FAQ/view-threads.htm
http://www.husted.com/struts/FAQ/controller-threads.htm
Over at JGuru,
http://jguru.com/forums/Struts
there's also places where a person could start voting on threads to be
converted into FAQs. And if someone started to do that for a time, I'd
probably get them admin access there. Given a steady stream of
documentation patches or additions, a person could probably earn
Committer status here too.
I'd love to spend more time on it myself, but the kids need shoes.
MEANWHILE,
As for the Jakarta Newsletter, what's being proposed on the General List
is a high-level summary, like what you might say to your boss at a
meeeting about "What's happening on the Struts lists".
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg05603.html
Regardless of what happens with the Jakarta Newsletter, any time someone
wants to start posting [RECAP]'s, I'll commit them to the News and
Status page, so they don't get lost in the shuffle.
http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/news_2002.html
While I agree there is way too much chatter on the lists these days, we
still are a long ways from the types of flame wars you see on Perl
lists, and even elsewhere in Jakarta =:o)
-T.
James Mitchell wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that James H. is out of town right now.
>
> Thank you for considering me.
> I'd be happy to help, but my schedule is pretty full until mid July.
> After that, I'm all ears.
>
> It was my hope that, at some point, someone could capture and
> categorize the helpful threads that get asked and answered daily.
>
> There are numerous places to find Struts specific "Best Practice"
> and/or "Common Patterns", but for the newbie, sometimes they just
> don't know what to ask. That way, we might have some type of
> repository or searchable FAQ to point people to who seem to ask
> the same questions over and over again.
>
> Yes, I'm aware of the online FAQ and mail-archives, but someone
> really needs to spend some time going over the issues that the
> "people who are using struts in the real world" have.
>
> Spewing out Design Patterns/techniques and/or "RTFM" to someone
> is not always the best approach at getting people to stay with struts.
> I know for a fact that there are many people who monitor the list
> but never ask questions or reply. They simply want to keep up with
> the latest features. I would hate to see a news article published
> on JDJ or some other well known publication somewhere that says
> how the people on the struts users-list are "rude and ignorant" (doh!).
>
> I know I'm as guilty as the rest, but we have a responsibility
> to lead and encourage new developers and show professional conduct
> while conversing on the lists.
>
> Well, I hope I didn't piss anybody off. I'm heading to lunch now
> so TTFN. (please excuse the childish reference from Tigger, my
> 2 year has been sick lately , so its been late nights by the VCR,
> and of course, she gets to pick the titles... thank God for Disney!!! ;)
>
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://struts-atlanta.open-tools.org
> ICQ: 27651409
> AOLIM: jmitchtx (and NO I don't use AOL;)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vikram Goyal01 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:13 AM
> > To: James Holmes; Ted Husted
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Galbreath, Mark; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [WANTED] Struts Editor for Jakarta Newsletter
> >
> >
> > So what's happening with this?
> >
> > Are we doing it on a rotational basis? James are you doing it
> > for this week?
> >
> > If there is no schedule done already, let me propose this...
> > James Holmes -- Week ending Jun 7
> > Vikram -- Week ending Jun 14th
> > Mark -- Week ending Jun 21st
> > James Mitchell -- Week ending Jun 28th
> >
> > And so on and so forth...
> >
> > Let me know what everybody thinks..
> >
> > Rgs
> > Vikram
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:18 PM
> > To: Ted Husted
> > Cc: Vikram Goyal01; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Galbreath, Mark;
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [WANTED] Struts Editor for Jakarta Newsletter
> >
> >
> > Lets see, this week...
> >
> > Struts User List
> > -----------------------------------
> > + dispatch tip discussion
> > + recommended IDE
> > + new eclipse plugin from Emmanuel Boudrant
> > + struts console 1.12 released
> >
> > What deems a thread relevant for inclusion in
> > highlights? All announcements? Threads with X number
> > of replies? Threads with most relevance to most users
> > (this is subjective)?
> >
> > -james
> >
> > --- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > How about like a highlight paragraph on a weekly
> > > rotation?
> > >
> > > I could then just repost the weekly highlights to
> > > the News & Status
> > > page. Then we just have to concaternate the weeks on
> > > a monthly basis for
> > > the Jakarta Newsletter.
> > >
> > > If anyone wants to take a hand at this past week,
> > > jump in.
> > >
> > > James Holmes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is exactly what I had in mind. We setup some
> > > > sort of rotation to alleviate the burden on one
> > > > person.
> > > >
> > > > -james
> > > >
> > > > --- Vikram Goyal01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would love to help out. Can we do it on a
> > > > > rotational basis?
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2 cents..
> > > > > 1. Cover the main topics of discussions with
> > > > > synopsis, debates and conclusions(if any).
> > > > > 2. Point out the announcements/releases made on
> > > the
> > > > > list.
> > > > > 3. Divide between Struts-user and Struts-Dev
> > > lists.
> > > > > 4. Humor? God knows we have something every week
> > > !!
> > > > >
> > > > > Rgs
> > > > > Vikram
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:07 PM
> > > > > To: Galbreath, Mark; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vikram
> > > > > Goyal01
> > > > > Subject: Re: [WANTED] Struts Editor for Jakarta
> > > > > Newsletter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, I don't really have anything in mind,
> > > besides
> > > > > what's being proposed
> > > > > here.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg05603.html
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just saying that I can keep the News and
> > > Status
> > > > > page on the web site
> > > > > updated from week-to-week, but a monthly summary
> > > of
> > > > > the activity on the
> > > > > Struts USER and DEV lists too is going to be
> > > outside
> > > > > my reach right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > The best place to discuss how the Struts
> > > community
> > > > > would like to
> > > > > participate in the Jakarta newsletter project
> > > would
> > > > > be one of our lists.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Galbreath, Mark" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I stay pretty active on a number of lists,
> > > > > including struts-users,
> > > > > > servlet-interest, and j2ee-interest. What
> > > sort of
> > > > > monthly digest do you
> > > > > > have in mind?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > James Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Ted,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm interested in helping out. I presume
> > > you're
> > > > > > looking to create some sort of synopsis of the
> > > > > message
> > > > > > traffic on the list and send that as a
> > > newsletter?
> > > > > > Have you seen the NetBeans Weekly Newsletter?
> > > If
> > > > > not,
> > > > > > take a look at the link below. That might
> > > very
> > > > > well
> > > > > > be what you're looking for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=328765&listName=nbannounce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me know what you have in mind and we'll go
> > > > > from
> > > > > > there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -james
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg05603.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can keep the News and Status page updated
> > > from
> > > > > > > week to week, but if it
> > > > > > > would be great if someone wanted to do a
> > > monthly
> > > > > > > highlight of what's
> > > > > > > happening on the lists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY
> > > US
> > > > > > > -- Developing Java Web Applications with
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