On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, David Winterfeldt wrote:
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:39:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Modular Applications (the BIG checkin) [LONG]
>
> I may have missed this discussion, but was there ever
> talk about switching to Commons Logging for the Struts
> 1.1 release. I've been using Commons Logging with
> log4j and I've had no problems. I think everyone
> would appreciate the improved logging control.
>
We've become dependent on it implicitly (because digester uses it).
Commons logging is also (finally :-) about to go 1.0 -- so I'm +1 on using
it in Struts components as well.
> David
>
Craig
> --- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree that a beta based on the current nightly
> > build is a reasonable
> > course of action for now.
> >
> > My real regret is that we did not get a chance to
> > cut a 1.1 release
> > before the last wave of improvements came done the
> > pipeline. My concern
> > is that either the release-cycle will now be
> > extended, while we absorb
> > the new features, or will be rushed, just to move
> > things along.
> >
> > Of course, Craig's work is consistently excellent,
> > and the likelihood of
> > any actual problems is slight to none.
> >
> > My underlying goal is to remind us that Struts is
> > being used by some
> > very serious teams on some very serious projects.
> > These teams rely on
> > the "#.#" release stamp to tell them that the
> > codebase is ready for
> > primetime, and it is our responsibility to ensure
> > that it is.
> >
> > I would usually expect changes this significant to
> > live in the nightly
> > build for several months before release. But,
> > keeping the other features
> > out the hands of production teams is now bordering
> > on cruelty.
> >
> > So, I guess, it comes down to "in for a penny, in
> > for a pound"; are we
> > ready to cut a beta?
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Deadman, Hal" wrote:
> > >
> > > I assume there will be at least one beta release
> > of Struts 1.1 and a release
> > > candidate after that. That will provide ample time
> > to identify any specific
> > > incompatibilities and address them. At least we
> > will be able to identify the
> > > exact cause of the incompatibility and then we can
> > discuss a specific
> > > problem rather than unidentified issues.
> > >
> > > It's too early to give up on the ideal solution
> > which is not adding a second
> > > package. A second package will cause grief similar
> > to the struts-form.tld.
> > > The periodic bug reports of people trying to use
> > that taglib are annoying
> > > but imagine the time the bug reporters wasted
> > trying to use that taglib. It
> > > probably would have saved the world some time if
> > it had been removed prior
> > > to 1.0. People using pre-1.0 Struts or pre-1.1
> > nightly builds should expect
> > > to make some minor changes if they upgrade.
> > Especially when the changes will
> > > save them time in the long run.
> > >
> > > People moving from 1.0 to 1.1 are already in for
> > some global search and
> > > replace due to the commons stuff. They are also
> > going to have to do some
> > > extensive testing because a great deal of changes
> > have been made, aside from
> > > the Big check-in.
> > >
> > > Nobody needs to upgrade an application that is
> > well underway with a
> > > particular version of Struts. If they do upgrade
> > then they need to examine
> > > the migration issues and weigh the migration cost
> > against benefits of the
> > > new features. Hopefully there won't be any known
> > migration issues that
> > > aren't resolved during a beta release.
> > >
> > > Hal
> >
> > --
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
> http://sports.yahoo.com
>
> --
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
--
To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
