likewise - great idea, not that I know what Chiki is. I like the idea of an updateable repository of knowledge. The problem with the mail archive is that a small % of it is valuable but it is lost amidst the clutter (ie. amongst my ramblings). Hopefully you'll have a demo availble soon?
--- "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is a GREAT idea, Emaho; let us know how we can get this > started. Remember, also, that Ted has requested suggestions for the revised > FAQ he is authoring. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emaho, Ghoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:08 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Struts Community Opportunity > > > Hello all > > I think there is an opportunity here, particularly with the imminent 1.1 > release. I imagine there are going to be a whole bunch of new questions when > 1.1 is released. There IS a lot of documentation for Struts. The work Ted > and others have done is great. But perhaps a new perspective on the docs > (particularly for newbies) might be prudent. > > I know from my own experience that how these docs are organised and > presented can have a big effect on their usefuleness. Those of us who've > been using Struts for a longest can see how the user base has increased > dramatically, and I can only see this increasing with the release of 1.1. > Perhaps now is a good time to consider possible changes/refactoring of the > docs that would help inform new users and 'alleviate' some of the burden on > the list. > > I know the docs as is are good, but thats easy for us to say when we know, > pretty much, how it works and hangs together :) > > I'd be happy to offer some suggestions and effort in this regard - and I'm > sure others would too. I have experience in organising this type of content > on a large scale - especially for 'newbies', so maybe I have a different > perspective. > > I'm not intending to step on anyones toes ! Any new work would obviously > build upon the existing site and Ted's great site. > > Now for a shameless plug....Chiki (http://chiki.emaho.org) is being > developed by myself and others, and this is one of the ways it can be used, > for community building and content management. Perhaps somewhere down the > line we could have a Struts Community site powered by Chiki, with all the > relevant resources. As it is based upon Wiki this content can be dynamically > updated and managed, and there is suitable access control provided ! (well > in a release coming out very soon) Think 'The Server Side' devoted to > Struts. It would dramatically reduce the load on the mailing list, as well > as serving as a focal point for all things Struts. I imagine there would be > a group of administrators obviously, but it would also allow others to > contribute too, thereby lightening the load on everyone helping with the > list. I could go on and on about the benefits ! > > I'm not saying Chiki is the only answer, but I'm just volunteering something > that seems a great fit for the 'problem'. In the next 4-6 weeks Chiki will > be ready for such usage. > > I'd love to see a Struts community using chiki (since it's built on Struts), > taking the whole Struts experience to a new level, one which can not only > cope with increased user base, but would positively thrive on it. > > Even if people dont think this is the way to go, then I'd still be happy to > offer advise perspective and effort re the Documentation. > > Please let me know what you all think > > Thanks > > Ghoot > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 06 March 2002 12:43 > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: Newbie Struts and Jbuilder6 > > > > > > I do not "vent anger" at newbies though I may be stern at > > times, and I, too, > > remember what it is like learning something new...because I > > do it everyday. > > I appreciate your generosity but I go by the old adage, "Give > > a man a fish > > and he'll not be hungry today; teach him to fish and he'll > > never be hungry." > > Sometimes your generosity works to the detriment of those you > > wish to help. > > And, as I said, it encourages more laziness on a list that is > > already way > > too busy handling inane queries. > > > > No flame war - have a beer! > > > > Cheers! > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Emaho, Ghoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:19 AM > > > > Mark > > > > While I understand your frustration, I dont share it ! > > > > I was happy to help. > > > > You seem to vent a lot of frustration at newbie users. So > > they havent read > > all the docs - so what ! I remember what its like to be a > > beginner and come > > up against people with your attitude. Chill out and stop > > giving them such a > > hard time. You can still 'point them at the docs' in a > > friendly manner. > > > > You act as though this list is your personal property > > sometimes ! Newbies > > are welcome, and if they need reminding 100 times about the > > doc then fine. > > Bear in mind that for a newcomer, the documentation can be > > confusing and > > misleading. While everyone who has contributed has done a > > good job, it can > > be daunting for a complete newcomer. I dont think this is the > > place for you > > to vent your anger at them. > > > > And I hope you can see the humour in my response :) I know it can be > > frustrating seeing the same q's again and again, but you dont HAVE to > > respond every time someone asks a dumb question, do you ? > > > > I'm not looking for a flame war, but sometimes you are just > > too rude. Take > > it somewhere else - off this list ! > > > > Hope you take this in the spirit it is intended > > > > Take care > > > > Ghoot > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 06 March 2002 12:13 > > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > Subject: RE: Newbie Struts and Jbuilder6 > > > > > > > > > You going to spoon-feed him, too? This integration is > > > clearly explained in > > > the documentation; the guy didn't even bother to look. By > > > answering such > > > lame questions you encourage more lame questions. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Emaho, Ghoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:09 AM > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Subject: RE: Newbie Struts and Jbuilder6 > > > > > > > > > Goto 'Tools | Configure Libraries' menu, add new entry, and > > > select your > > > Struts.jar. > > > > > > Then goto 'Project | Project Properties' menu select the 'required > > > libraries' tab, select add and then choose your newly added struts. > > > > > > This then enables struts within your project. > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > Ghoot > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Sam Lai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: 06 March 2002 00:07 > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > Subject: Newbie Struts and Jbuilder6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Can anyone show me how to integrate struts in Jbuilder6? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > SAM > > > > > > > > > > > > NOTICE > > > > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may > > > > contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third > > > > parties. 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