Clever boy! :-0~ -----Original Message----- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development
Here's a good topic for tomorrow. Proposal for new open source framework: Integrating Jakarta Struts and Microsoft's .NET We will call it .NUTS JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Thinh Doan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:36 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > Mark's company web site is using asp, lol. > > Thinh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:26 PM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > Boy, it's going to be real hard to think up a thread like this one for > tomorrow! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > I agree with 95% of what you say, James, but just for the record, > many of us > have a profound distaste for Microsoft not because of their software, but > because of their business practices. They have a solid history of > "borrowing" from existing software and technology to build their own > products (esp. open source), and then using their leverage to > make sure that > their product is dominant in the marketplace. How many company's > web sites > were built with ASP only because the company had some sort of pre-existing > "preferred partner" arrangement with Microsoft? More than you or I will > ever know, that's for sure. > > I personally happen to really like some of Microsoft's office > software, but > I would never work to develop a Microsoft product, for the same > reasons that > I would never work for PG&E--they simply do not play nice with > others. Note > that this doesn't mean I won't *use* their products or technology > if I find > them to be superior, I just won't help *build* something that may > be turned > into a marketing leviathon. > > > peace, > > Joe Barefoot > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:13 AM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > > > OK, OK. So I said the > > > > This is so childish, almost comical! > > (Wish it was Friday) > > > > *Disclaimer - The following paragraph is not aimed at any ONE person, I > > simply ask this of every developer who thinks they can spread their > > ill-founded beliefs on everyone else. > > > > At what point in Technology did YOU decide that it was time to stop > > advancing? > > Who the hell made YOU dictator to decide what qualifies as guru-hood? > > > > I've noticed a trend with such people. > > > > When they started out learning how to be a programmer, they > were eager to > > learn things and eager to try out new stuff. Then, when they were > > considered to be on the leading edge of technology, they felt REALLY > > powerful and strong. That's right, they were the gurus of the moment. > > > > Then, all of a sudden something new came into town and they had > to defend > > their guru status. > > Instead of embracing the newest technology and helping others to improve > > their product (code), they were bitter and complained amongst > themselves, > > trying to convince each other that they were still the gurus of today. > > Meanwhile, as the jobs for that type of work began to dry up. > > Some of them > > still clung to their beliefs that they were right and everyone else was > > stupid. > > > > > > So which one are you? North-going or South-going? > > > > http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~cs315/subpages/inline/Zax.html > > > > > > Doesn't matter, you fit the qualifications for both. > > > > > > > > > > > > I admit that I got my start as a developer on the Microsoft side of the > > fence. Why? Well, because everything was free. I was in the Army and > > didn't make a lot of money so FREE sounded really good to me. I started > > learning html and moved right into Visual Basic 3, 4, and 5. > However, the > > technology that got me into 6 figures was ASP. That's right > Active Server > > Pages. > > Then came along this phenomenon called Java. I was introduced to > > the Struts > > framework and quickly realized just how superior it was to ASP. > > I have been > > a believer ever since. > > > > One thing I noticed on the Non-MS side of the fence that I didn't > > see on the > > MS side was the bitterness and anger that some people have for the other > > side. > > > > I guess I just don't get it. Some people at my last job actually > > treated me > > like sh## because I "used to be" an ASP developer. Hmmmm, I > don't recall > > such hostility about Java developers from anyone at any of my > previous MS > > shop jobs. > > In fact, one guy actually started talking to me and helping me > > only after he > > heard me tell a friend that I had just installed Linux on my laptop. > > > > WHAT THE FU$#$%#$%#$!!!!!!!! > > > > Where is this hatred coming from people? > > Why don't you just get over it and get a life! Microsoft ISN'T going > > away!!! > > > > If you don't like their software, then stop using it......but > > just shut the > > hell up!!! > > > > JM > > > > P.S. Oh crap, I used spellchecker before sending this message. Oh well, > > guess I'm not an e-mail guru. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:52 AM > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > > > > > > I think that it would be safe to say that the use of any form of > > > GUI with your editor would disqualify you from the higher levels > > > of Guruhood. If you can't type it, then it isn't real. Who needs > > > search and replace dialogues when you can type > > > > > > :%s/string1/string2/g > > > > > > Is that not a beautiful thing? :-) > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com > > > Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Joseph Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:53 PM > > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > > > > > > > > > >Okay, I have to ask a question of all of you emacs/vi > > > >developers out there > > > >with S's on your chests: > > > > > > > >Are graphical versions of these tools allowed in the kindom of > > > >Studcodia, or > > > >monochromatic versions only? ;) > > > > > > > >peace, > > > > > > > >Joe Barefoot > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:38 PM > > > >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Well, I'm sure your tool is bigger than mine. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:03 PM > > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > >> Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Actually, its a 'my tool is better than your lack of one' rant :-) > > > >> > > > >> JM > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: Schneider, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:50 PM > > > >> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > >> > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm enjoying the 'my tool is better than your tool' rant. > > > >> > > > > >> > Your talk of assembly line workers reminds me of analogies > > > >I've read in > > > >> > engineering books. Many have references to the industrial > > > >> revolution and > > > >> > how productivity and efficiency skyrocketed with the use of > > > >> > assembly lines. > > > >> > But I guess that's only true for uninteresting factory crap. > > > >> > > > > >> > e. > > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:24 PM > > > >> > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > >> > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > A more appropriate analogy would be hand-made furniture vs. > > > >> > > the crap you buy > > > >> > > from a factory. And carpenters are much more > > > >interesting people than > > > >> > > assembly-line workers. (hint-hint) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Mark > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:15 PM > > > >> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > >> > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > No no, I have to agree with Mark. Real programmers use text > > > >> > > editors just > > > >> > > like "Real" construction workers use pitch forks and shovels > > > >> > > and not those > > > >> > > fancy bull dozers and front-end loaders. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > What happened to the good-ole days where it took a year and > > > >> > > half to build a > > > >> > > house!!! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > JM > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:35 PM > > > >> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I have to go there .... even if it isn't Friday! :-) > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > REAL programmers use vi. EMACS is an operating > system trying to > > > >> > > > pass itself off as a text editor (Mmmmm ... LISP as your > > > >> > > > scripting language!). > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > As an aside, even a relevent aside, I have been > tinkering with > > > >> > > > jEdit (http://www.jedit.org) and have found it to be a > > > >very good > > > >> > > > general text editor. It has a growing collection of > > > >plugins that > > > >> > > > utilise such goodies as syntax highlighting, ant and > > > >refactoring > > > >> > > > support. Check it out! > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Simon > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > > Simon P. Chappell > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > > > Java Programming Specialist > > > >www.landsend.com > > > >> > > > Lands' End, Inc. > > > >(608) 935-4526 > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > >From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:53 AM > > > >> > > > >To: 'A mailing list for Java(tm) 2 Platform, > > > >Enterprise Edition' > > > >> > > > >Cc: Struts (E-mail); Bartles, Todd; Bronner, Bryon; > > > >Harter, David; > > > >> > > > >Kerstetter, Shawn; Mannam, Ram; Pakiru, Vamshidhar; Tony > > > >> > > (E-mail); Veni > > > >> > > > >(E-mail) > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: IDE for EJB2.0 development > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Real programmers use EMACS or VI. 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