Interesting, but I thought that the phrase was "When in Rome, remember you're British!" :-)
Simon >-----Original Message----- >From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:10 PM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: using O/R mapping tools > > >Erasmus's "In Praise of Folly" was a tribute to his friend Sir Thomas >Moore, the murdered Archbishop of Cantebury, who stood on principle, >considered to be the most erudite man in the Christian World at that >time. Folly is a pun for "Moore". This does not stop the >misreading of >that book. The second line of "When in Rome, do as the Romans >do," from >Seneca, is "When not in Rome, do as the Romans do". In the >last chapter >(ten) of Plato's "Republic," the "main man" (Socrates) decides >to choose >the life of an ordinary man who minds his own business. This >is from a >book that is traditionally (by those who stop at chapter five) >read as an >apology for some sort of "Uber" man, when it is in fact a reductio ad >absurdum of that very idea. Meaning and myth and truth have strange >companions, indeed. > >At 10:47 AM 8/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:01 PM >> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> > Subject: RE: using O/R mapping tools >> > >> > >> > As I pointed out, it's a common mistake. I have a >graduate minor in >> > statistics, so it's just a pet peeve and nothing more. I >> > could care less >> > [sic] about your grammar. >> >> >>I hardly think it's a mistake if one uses the term and >everyone in the >>room assumes the popular meaning except the one person who >dogmatically >>clings to the diagram in their old college psychology >textbook. Speaking >>of pet peeves, to be gramatically accurate, it's "couldn't >care less". To >>say that you "could care less" implies that you care plenty >already. :) >> >> >>b.t.w., here's what most people envisage when they think >"steep learning >>curve". All the textbooks and mailing list arguments in the >world aren't >>going to change that. >> >> >>Effort >> | - - - >> | - >> | - >> | - >> | - >> | - >> | - >> | - >> | - >> |___________________________________ >> >> Proficiency >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:54 PM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: RE: using O/R mapping tools >> > >> > >> > >> > Hmmmm. >> > >> > I just could not stomach it so I did some checkng... >> > >> > >> > Read this one first... >> > Common sense warns that there is no advantage to using a word >> > correctly >> > if you know that the vast majority of your hearers will >misunderstand >> > your meaning. Consider the terms "thumbs up" and "thumbs >down": Most >> > people are aware that these expressions derive from the >> > ancient public >> > entertainments at the Roman Colosseum, where the presiding official >> > would rule on whether a vanquished gladiator should be spared >> > or slain. >> > But did you know that "thumbs up" was the sign for "kill him" >> > and thumb >> > sideways was the sign for "let him live"? So when someone >> > tells you that >> > your project got the thumbs up from upper management, should >> > you start >> > checking the help-wanted ads? We >> > http://www.crh.noaa.gov/library/Grammar/Learn-curve.html >> > >> > >> > Every result except for the above shows a steep learning >> > curve as a bad >> > thing... Right or wrong, its common usage... >> > >> > I want to go home... >> > >> > >> > STEEP LEARNING CURVE >> > Rookie Quarterback Zolman Tackles Complicated Scheme >> > Things aren't entirely different. That's the positive part >> > now for Greg >> > Zolman - part of the positive part, anyway. Here's the tricky >> > part: What >> > he's learning is very complicated. >> > http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=711 >> > >> > >> > BUSH IS ON A STEEP LEARNING CURVE, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US >> > George W Bush appears to be on a near-vertical global >learning curve. >> > And it is not just him. In the past two weeks the world has been >> > changing astonishingly quickly beneath our feet and >commentators are >> > running to keep up. >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,558293,00.html >> > >> > >> > Myth: ODBMSs have a steep learning curve >> > The myth that ODBMSs have a steep learning curve is easily >dispelled. >> > Using an ODBMS primarily involves knowing an object programming >> > language. For examples, see transparent persistence (new window). >> > If you know Java or C++, there is very little additional >> > syntax that you >> > need to learn in order to use an ODBMS. There are >additional database >> > commands for opening and closing databases along with starting and >> > committing transactions. But that is about all -- hardly a steep >> > learning curve. If you do not know Java or C++, there is learning >> > involved. That learning, however, involves mastering the >programming >> > language and not the ODBMS. >> > http://www.odbmsfacts.com/articles/myth_odbms_have_a_steep_lea >> > rning_curve.ht >> > ml >> > >> > >> > Steep learning curve >> > First-time users of Finale can expect to invest weeks or >even months >> > learning how to drive this thing. And, unlike a bicycle, you >> > can easily >> > forget how to do it if away from it for a while. >> > Finale is complicated, powerful, and often non-intuitive in >> > its design, >> > although ease of use improves perceptibly with each release. >> > Coda seems >> > to listen to its customers on questions of interface and features. >> > http://www.research.umbc.edu/eol/5/signell/steep.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:35 PM >> > To: struts-user >> > Subject: RE: using O/R mapping tools >> > >> > >> > Yep. Think of the y axis as productivity and the x axis as >> > time. You >> > want >> > a curve going from 0.0 to max-y,min-x. This would plot out >> > as a "steep" >> > curve, indicating learning the most in the smalled amount of time. >> > >> > A "flat" curve is the opposite - learn very little over a >considerable >> > amount of time. >> > >> > Thus, a "steep" learning curve means it was "easy;" a >"flat" learning >> > curve >> > means it was difficult. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:21 PM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: RE: using O/R mapping tools >> > >> > >> > Really? Thats &*#(@!-up... Are you sure? >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:00 PM >> > To: struts-user >> > Subject: RE: using O/R mapping tools >> > >> > >> > You mean "flat." Common mistake.... A steep learning curve is >> > desirable. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:57 PM >> > >> > I found the initial learning curve to be rather steep. I >> > blame this on >> > my using an outdated version of my JDBC driver. It >"seemed hard" at >> > first simply because of that. 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