I just want to observe that I have never used a job website. I'm not saying that they don't or can't work, but I've received 100% of my employment so far from either word of mouth or using a technical recruiter. This has worked both sides of the pond.
I started in the industry in 1990 when I graduated from Plymouth University (England) and I remember that you had to be thankful for anything that paid money. There was no annoying the boss back then, or you'd be picking up your P45 (pink slip for the Yankees on the list). Make friends with your local recruiters, be prepared to move anywhere in the country and be certain to have an HTML version of your CV/resume on a website. And, yes, make certain that it is FULLY BUZZWORD COMPLIENT. Simon ----------------------------------------------------------------- Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 >-----Original Message----- >From: Khalid Aslan [mailto:sheik_ya_bootie@;yahoo.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:17 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Where can I find a Struts / J2EE Jobs? > > > --- Davide Bruzzone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Khalid, >> >> This is all just common sense really, but it helped >> me when I was laid off at the end of June (BTW, I >> was working again in five weeks, and as much as I'd >> like to think that I'm a rock star, I think I was >> monumentally lucky)... However, if it can help you >> or someone else on the list... >> >> I live in Colorado and as I said, I was laid off >> from a telecom company at the end of June... I found >> my new job through a Yahoo job board (specifically >> the Rocky Mountain Internet Users' Group Job board - >> which you won't care about given that you live in >> the UK...). Anyway, here's what I learned: >> >> - There seem to be a lot of "job bots" out there. My >> current employer didn't post the opening on the >> board where I found it. They posted it on Dice from >> where it was eventually scraped. I personally didn't >> have much luck with the big job sites (Monster, >> Dice, etc.). There didn't seem to be very many >> postings there, and they seemed to be fairly >> stale/stagnant. OTOH, smaller, more informal job >> boards seemed to have a steady trickle of new >> postings. > >Hi Davide > >Thank you sir! I presume you are talking about >DICE.com >You said that you didn't find it on Dice, but it >was found somewhere else. You didn't >where you found the informal job boards. > >> - Keywords, keywords, keywords! My employer received >> 800 resumes (or for those of you across the pond, >> CVs) for my position. They eliminated 90% of those >> without even looking at them (they used keyword >> search software). Companies are having to do this >> because of the ratio of available positions to >> available candidates. > >Bloody hell! That is a huge ratio 800 to 1! >I had a suspicion about search keyword software but >I didn't realize. I will definitely update my CV to >be completely keyword specific. You know this is so >similar to static web design with META tags. >My CV is two pages long, and it is rather concise, >but I have had a request from an agency a couple >of weeks ago to include my technologies and buzz >word keywords that increased to three pages. >Most of the agents said I have good looking CV. >I have had interviews with many agencies, but I got >the feeling that they were just to polite sometimes. >When they had me in for the interview I felt they >were being a little cynical, and maybe that were >"trawling" the web for talent. I can understand, >because they are so few jobs and lots of agency >trying to change the commission for the candidate >who can exactly fit the required job specification. > >> pre-screenings with the remaining 80 people, and >> eventually met about 10 of those 80 in person. >> The second page of my resume contains all my >> technical skills, and is very "keyword rich". You're >> up against a lot of other candidates, so make sure >> you can get through the filtering software by >> including everything you know on your resume (all >> the acronyms, tools, etc.). > >I know of one other former colleague who has >had to do a telephone interview with a contact >that she had two months ago. It is very easy >to get depressed, and miserable. However, I >very grateful for advice. You did n't by any chance >have a hand in writing this "keyword" search >software, did you? ;-) > >> - Observe protocol. You're right, its an employer's >> market right now, and employers can be picky, so >> observe all the courtesies, etc. I learned this in >> the "so you've been shitcanned" class that my >> previous employer most graciously sent us to after >> having us vacate the building in 45 minutes or less > >Oh wee! It is so sad. I was called to boardroom >in our law / human resources at exactly 9:10 >in the morning. They didn't even give me time >to clear my desk, the f***ing b******ds! > >> (The politically correct term was "Career >> transition" class... :-) ), and the people who >> interviewed me at my new employer told me that they >> were impressed by it. If you get an interview, send >> personalized thank you letters (good paper, etc.) to >> everyone you talk to, etc. It just helps you stand >> out. >> > >Yes I am English, I was born in London, my parents >came from abroad. So I should be the one with the >English manners and politeness ;-) > >> As I said, its all common sense, but if it helps... >> >> Best of luck... >> >> Dave > >Where can I find a list of these informal job boards? >And thanks again > >rgds >/Khalid/ > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: ><mailto:struts-user->[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For >additional commands, >e-mail: <mailto:struts-user-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:struts-user-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:struts-user-help@;jakarta.apache.org>
