Peter,

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter A. J. Pilgrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:28 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [OT] Where can I find a Struts / J2EE Jobs?
>
>
>Chappell, Simon P wrote:

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>All
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>Well I graduated from South Bank University (London, England) in 1990
>plum right into the "recession" as if was called then (I haven't
>quite figured out what they are calling this one now. Which is it
>"Downturn", "Slow-jam", "Dotcom Bubble -Burst", and plain old
>recession?). I had the same problem as Simon. A new graduate without
>experience, but how d'y'a get experience in the first place?

The way that I got it was through a "sandwich" course. Two academic years, then a year 
in industry and then wrap it up with one more academic year. The best thing is that 
the University took responsibility for finding placements. (Plymouth University did 
used to be a Polytechnic, hence the "sandwich" style courses.) That year of 
exeperience REALLY helped, when the rubber hit the road.

>My problem was eventually solved also by word-of-month, favour
>for a favour, and otherwise also known as networking.
>Eventually I left the country of green meadows, and green fields.
>I left for Germany (Deutschland) of all places. Another with
>green pasture and more romantic castles (Schlosse).
>
>I have already followed Simon's advice and built an online CV.

Wonderful. I know that mine takes a lot of hits from recruiters, judging from the 
number of emails I get.

>It is very strange you think of doing this sort of thing when
>you are in a proper job that lasts 10 hours a day, but you
>never get around to it. I always wanted to master Macromedia
>Flash, and get back in the design and arty stuff. So eventually
>I tackled it. Unfortunately this time it will be harder for me
>"to move anywhere in the country" let alone move abroad,
>especially when you have a mortgage and property.

Been there, done that!I have lived in the U.S. of A. for over eight years now and only 
managed to sell my house in England (Wiltshire :-) two years ago. That means that I 
was paying mortgage on a house that was not even in the same country as me for six 
years. I found an estate agent (Realtor in yankee speak) that would take care of 
renting it out and I just bit the bullet and got very good at transfering money 
between England and America.

>Damn! I knew I should sent that agent (local recruiter) a box of
>cava or fruity wines last Xmas. Hot Damn!!

Hey, whatever it takes.

>(Landsend.com eh? He He He. A piece of England in the US of A)

Yup, it amuses me too. Even more so, because I actually hail from Cornwall and have 
been to the REAL Land's End a number of times. Although, I think that the Lizard Point 
is prettier.

>-- 
>Peter Pilgrim
>ServerSide Java Specialist

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Simon

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Simon P. Chappell                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Java Programming Specialist                      www.landsend.com
Lands' End, Inc.                                   (608) 935-4526

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