Typically management worry about not having someone to blame if there is a problem. My own manager was asking who we would have recourse against (is this a polite way of saying "Sue them into the ground"?) if there was a problem with the Struts code. I told him that there was the ASF, but that there is an explicit no warranty clause in the Apache licence. He wasn't keen to hear that. Money is usually a very small factor in the issue.
Simon >-----Original Message----- >From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:43 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >What about management? I'm sure they liked the idea of saving alot of >money. But how did they respond to open source solutions? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:28 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my >opinion. as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the >chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were >outnumbered. my only wish is that jEdit would improve its vi >plugin. then >the circle would really be complete. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Wow...that is quite a transition. I'm curious to know if >these changes were >met with alot of opposition? How long did it take? > >Vinh > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad. :) > >When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere >Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix >servers. >Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, >SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat >Linux. > >Not bad. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a >very reasonable >discount) > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM >>To: Struts Users Mailing List >>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) >> >> >>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the >>company supply >>them? >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31 >>To: Struts Users Mailing List >>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) >> >> >>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will >>be obvious to >>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that >standardisation is >>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th >>degree and >>they will all be locked down so that you can't change >>anything. You can't >>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, >>you'd better like >>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of >>productivity. >> >>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share? >> >>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of >>my tinkering >>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the >>company, but you >>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I >>have introduced >>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I >>evaluated by tinkering >>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these >tools are >>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and >>Cygwin. The funny >>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are >>going to be >>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh. >> >>Simon >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers >>> >>> >>>Hi all, >>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list. >>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate >>>everybody to adopt my >>>recomendations. >>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, >>>order is order. >>> I think his concern about this task is to improve >>>productivity. So, what is more productive? >>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience >>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is >>>this kind of task? >>> >>>Best regards, >>> Daniel. >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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