Oh yeah, I saw you a few months back at the AJUG meeting that Chuck
presented.  I wanted to say hey, but you disappeared before I could catch
you.  I could hardly believe what Mark Fleury did halfway through the
Beer4All presentation....LOL.

Yes, I'm running Win2k Advanced Server at home, but have not looked into
Terminal Services, maybe I'll do that tonight.

--
James Mitchell





----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael C. Lee Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
development


> Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal
> services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that
you
> can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine
> configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up
> that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few
> external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration
> section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and
it
> works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have
to
> (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel
> work. Home and business.
>
> BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by
> you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime?
If
> you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the
> phone.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> development
>
>
> > oh.....well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server
> (port
> > 21) and controlling that one from here....
> >
> > I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at
> home,
> > I cannot do that anymore.....any more suggestions?
> >
> > --
> > James Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> > development
> >
> >
> > > Hi, James, okay, I will tell
> > >
> > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to
execute
> > > scripts on a target machine over the web.  There isn't anything you
> cannot
> > > do with product development that way.
> > >
> > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through
> > port
> > > 80 and servlets.
> > >
> > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two
> servlets
> > > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never
> > > appears.  This, I assume, is fairly normal.  I am sort of self taught
in
> > > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not
> > > completely aware of what is normal and what is not.  Certainly Jason
> > Hunter
> > > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets.
> > >
> > > Are we on the same wave length?
> > >
> > > Micael
> > >
> > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Do tell!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >James Mitchell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> > > >development
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you
can
> > do
> > > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge
> like
> > > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing
> > > >proprietary
> > > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with
> > > >corporate
> > > > > > > resources. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that
gives
> > you
> > > >port
> > > > > >80 and 21 only!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause.  I hate having to wait
> till
> > I
> > > >get
> > > > > >home before I can get anything really important done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--
> > > > > >James Mitchell
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server
for
> > > > > >development
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to
> spare...
> > and
> > > >a
> > > > > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your
> > > >laptop....
> > > > > >Then freedom is just around the corner.
> > > > > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly
> controlled
> > > > > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper
> > > >management
> > > > > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and
lower
> > > >prices
> > > > > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So
I
> > > > > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that
> are
> > > >routed
> > > > > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with
> Java
> > and
> > > > > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start
> > development
> > > >or
> > > > > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor
> supplied
> > > > > >products later.
> > > > > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a
laptop
> > > >around. In
> > > > > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I
> did
> > the
> > > > > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared
files
> > at
> > > >work
> > > > > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an
> > Oracle
> > > > > >schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit
testing)
> > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge
> like
> > > > > >environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing
> > proprietary
> > > > > >development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with
> > corporate
> > > > > >resources. :)
> > > > > > > -Tony
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into
it
> > what
> > > >you
> > > > > >will, but the topic was software innovation in
> > > > > > > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this
> offends
> > you,
> > > > > > > perhaps you take yourself too seriously.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM
> > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one
server
> > for
> > > > > > > development
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for
posts
> > > >designated
> > > > > > > [OT].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath"
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > > > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'"
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one
server
> > for
> > > > > > > >development
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst
> for
> > > > > > > >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you
> > lose
> > > > > > > >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the
> > centuries
> > > > > > > >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being
the
> > first
> > > > > > > >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity
and
> > > >profits
> > > > > > > >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin,
> > > >interchangeable
> > > > > > > >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and
> software.
> > > >What
> > > > > > > >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by
> > > > > > > >short-sighted people interested more often than not with
their
> > > > > > > >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a
> > > > > > > >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was
> > responsible
> > > >for
> > > > > > > >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not
> > because
> > > >he
> > > > > > > >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom
to
> > > > > > > >innovate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Mark
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM
> > > > > > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one
server
> > for
> > > > > > > >development
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation
at
> > home,
> > > >it
> > > > > > > >will
> > > > > > > >not be required at the office." No, that is your
> > company...Landsend
> > > >by
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more
> > > >innovations
> > > > > >per
> > > > > > > >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries.
> > > >Landsend,
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a
> motivating
> > > >factor
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >innovate. Michael Lee
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "Chappell, Simon P"
> > > > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one
server
> > for
> > > > > > > >development
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for
> > > > > > > >geographical/religious
> > > > > > > >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a
> programmer
> > in
> > > >this
> > > > > > > >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a
while
> > the
> > > >stuff
> > > > > > > >flowing downhill is crazier than usual.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM
> > > > > > > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one
> server
> > for
> > > > > > > > >development
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an
> > > > > > > > >environment!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >From: Chappell, Simon P
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down
> to
> > us
> > > > > > > > >from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still
has
> > frost
> > > > > > > > >on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also
decides
> > that
> > > > > > > > >once you're using WAS,
> > > > > > > > >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and
> they're
> > > > > > > > >going to lock
> > > > > > > > >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on
> > there to
> > > >use
> > > > > > > > >instead.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation
at
> > home,
> > > > > > > > >it will not be required at the office.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Simon
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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