Oh, and cutting and pasting tags is better?  With scriptlets, you need to
know one thing: Java.  With taglibs you must expand and juggle knowledge by
an order of magnitude.  Anybody who knows Java can understand a scriptlet;
the converse cannot be said of taglibs.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:25 PM

Taglibs aren't just useful to people working with HTML, they are a great way
to reuse logic in JSP's.  Cutting and pasting scriplets IMO is not.

-Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:07 PM
> 
> Well, let's be honest, dude.  The great idea behind taglibs
> in the first
> place was to allow non-developers such as HTMLers and graphic 
> artists to be
> able to manipulate content without understanding a 
> programming language and
> keep real programmers (yes, I have a definition, if you are 
> interested) from
> having to maintain the presentation layer.  Now, from that 
> perspective, look
> and my example and look at yours.  Which is going to be clearer to a
> non-programmer?
> 
> Otherwise, look how complex using a taglib is to integrate into an 
> application, to say nothing of what it takes to develop a custom 
> taglib (I've done it).  I may sound like a heretic, but in my mind, 
> SIMPLE scriptlets are better than a tag to do the same thing - from
> development,
> integration, and maintenance perspectives.
> 
> Mark (they don't call me Chief Eating Crow for nothing) Galbreath
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Kischuk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:13 AM
> 
> > That's all well and good but what happens when the author no longer
> supports
> > it, technology moves on, and somebody behind you has got to
> maintain
> > it? Doing it with scriptlets is as easy as
> >
> > <% int count = 0 %>
> > <logic:iterate . . .>
> >   <% if( count % 2 == 0 ) { %>
> >     <tr bgcolor="coral">
> >       <td></td>
> >   <% } else { %>
> >     <tr bgcolor="fuscia">
> >       <td></td>
> >   <% } %>
> >   </tr>
> >   <% count++ %>
> > </logic:iterate>
> >
> > What could be simpler and clearer?  This methodology is
> much easier to
> > maintain than some esoteric third-party tags.
> 
> <c:forEach var="currItem" items="${myCollection}" varStatus="info">
>   <c:if test="${info.count % 2 == 0}">
>      <tr bgcolor="coral">
>   </c:if>
>   <c:if test="${info.count % 2 == 1}">
>      <tr bgcolor="fuschia">
>   </c:if>
>     <td>blah blah</td>
>   </tr>
> </c:forEach>
> 
> Simple. Clear. Standard.  The logic is plain, JSTL isn't
> going to have the
> maintenance issues you mention, and there's no nasty 
> scriptlet delimiters
> muddling the mix.
> 
> -Rob



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