On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Will Etson wrote:

> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800
> From: Will Etson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools
>
> +1
>
> >>> "Victor Soares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/10/03 02:34PM >>>
> American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the 
>representative of American beer.
>
> You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend.... Portland, Oregon in 
>particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll 
>personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but 
>we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;)
>
> Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon?
>

Well, the O'Reilly Open Source conference is here in July ... and I do
know where to get some of that good beer ...

> - vic

Craig

>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM >>>
> Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. 
>Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral 
>water.
>
> No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed 
>optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot 
>and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited!
>
> Simon
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools
> >
> >
> >I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are
> >pretty good to.
> >(but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools
> >
> >
> >The best California wines in my long flirtation with the
> >nectar are anything
> >from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux
> >grape) from the
> >Russian River Valley.  These vineyards truly rival the best
> >the French have,
> >and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the
> >growers support
> >getting rid of Suddam Insane.
> >
> >
> >Mark Galbreath
> >Principal Consultant
> >Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration
> >http://www.QAT.com
> >410-703-367 / 800-799-8545
> >"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
> >stupidity."  ~Hanlon's Razor
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM
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> >Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools
> >
> >
> >To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are
> >better. But
> >California is getting close.  And Australia is also getting close.
> >
> >Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997
> >Private Reserve
> >Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One
> >
> >
> >
> >> > But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of
> >Californian
> >> >wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as
> >tasty
> >> > as French wines.
> >>
> >> I don't think you can "compare" with nice french wines (or you have
> >> try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus,
> >> Chateau Margaux ....
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mark Galbreath
> >> > Principal Consultant
> >> > Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration
> >> >
> >> > http://www.QAT.com
> >> > 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545
> >> >
> >> > "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately
> >explained by
> >> > stupidity."  ~Hanlon's Razor
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM
> >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >> > Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a
> >> > good
> >> beer!
> >> > :-P
> >> >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM
> >> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >> > >Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good
> >> > >developer's best friend (short of a good beer)...
> >> > >
> >> > >- Robert
> >> > >
> >> > >Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about
> >> > >not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it
> >> > >does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> >> > >>>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > >>>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM
> >> > >>>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >> > >>>Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>There is no alternative to Rose.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>Mark Galbreath
> >> > >>>Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems
> >> > >>>Integration http://www.QAT.com
> >> > >>>410-703-367 / 800-799-8545
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately
> >explained
> >> > >>>by stupidity."  ~Hanlon's Razor
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> >> > >>>From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE
> >> > >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > >>>Sent: Monday, February
> >> > >>>10, 2003 10:04 AM
> >> > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >>>Subject: [OT] Modeling tools
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm
> >> > >>>looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon.  Thanks.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>-Dave
> >> > >>>
> >> >
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