David
From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:31:38 -0000
;-> Actually Opera do supply it as a "deb" for Linux so we might well give
it a try - as all development happens on Debian workstations. I guess it's
not supplied as part of Debs as it's not OSS?
I remember the problem now... when using <TR HEIGHT=100%> Opera (probably
rightly) allocates 100% of the table - the consequence being the footer
drops off the bottom of the browser and you get a scrollbar at any
resolution. This doesn't happen in IE or Moz. (Of course I'm not saying IE
and Moz are correct to do this).
I'm pretty sure the solution is to use another table outside of this one and
have yet another nested table - but this is a special case just for Opera.
(Ok and w3c compliance, presumably). There are loads of googles on this and
just before we get to production we'll deal with it then. After all we have
to keep the Opera fans happy - it was my first real browser before I was
Mozilla.org'ed.
Thanks for your comments. If you don't mind - I appreciate it's very OT -
but if you have the answer to the above I'd be very grateful of your input.
Kind regards,
H.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 February 2003 19:21
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
If it looks ok in Opera, then it will look ok in the other browsers. Maybe
you should test in Opera first ;-).
David
>From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:54:45 -0000
>
> >> Opera suppports the w3c standards
>more closely than the other browsers. <<
>
>That's probably the problem! No, seriously there are some dirty tricks used
>just to get the site up and running - before a proper review to ensure it
>is
>compliant. Last time I tried Opera it was not displaying nicely - lines
>very
>thick I think (but does not occur on IE or Moz) - I was just warning in
>case
>I got emails from anyone pointing out Opera may look strange. Rightly or
>wrongly we get to checking Opera last - but it will displays correctly in
>Opera before it's in production.
>
>H.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 19 February 2003 17:45
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
>
>
>Why do you need special stuff for Opera? Opera suppports the w3c standards
>more closely than the other browsers.
>
>David
>
>
>
> >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
> >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:34:29 -0000
> >
> >Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is
>actually
> >hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will
>not
> >connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80.
> >
> >Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a
>bit
> >strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if
>you
> >can connect!
> >
> >H.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
> >
> >
> >I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and
>Mozilla.
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM
> > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
> > >
> > >
> > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours
> > >they felt would
> > >be eye-catching (damaging) (!)
> > >
> > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this
> > >will not be
> > >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely
> > >usurped Microsoft
> > >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen
> > >development framework.
> > >
> > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions
> > >were built in
> > >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP).
> > >Decision was
> > >based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance
> > >overhead this
> > >would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner.
> > >
> > >Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time
> > >there will also
> > >be a section added on the website about the technology used and
> > >acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate
> > >section will also
> > >be referenced on the development website giving the technical
> > >justification
> > >for why struts was chosen as the framework.
> > >
> > >H.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles
> > >
> > >
> > >> I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles
> > >> was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't
> > >> misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but
> > >> the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a
> > >> breeze.
> > >>
> > >> There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production
> > >> sites at:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/
> > >>
> > >> ... the full production version will be released very soon.
> > >
> > >Aiii! My eyes!
> > >
> > >Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful.
> > >Amazing what a
> > >well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting
> > >the job done.
> > >
> > >> My personal view is (and I'm sure someone will disagree!) -
> > >with tiles
> > >> available and so well-integrated into struts - you'd be
> > >> really missing-out
> > >> by not using it - even for the simplest of sites.
> > >
> > >I sure don't disagree. I'm doing a site for my wife -- a
> > >college prof -- in
> > >my spare time. It's a very simple site, maybe 10 - 12 pages
> > >total, but I'm
> > >using tiles for it because it makes life so much easier.
> > >Without it I would
> > >have an amalgamation of includes, and life would generally be much more
> > >difficult.
> > >
> > >Tiles or death!
> > >
> > >-= J
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