I lived in Serbia long, long time ago. (Novi Sad) ;) .2c --Alen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ranko Bijelonic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Martin Naskovski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:38 AM Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet container? > I'll wait for Struts 3.0. It should be J2EE compliant by then :) hehe. > Serbia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Naskovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:29 PM > To: Ranko Bijelonic > Cc: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet > container? > > > Ranko, you could just buy Dynamo or WebSphere or WebLogic - that'll give > you all you need, tightly integrated :). Where are you from BTW? Serbia, > Croatia?? > > Martin > -- > > > Monday, July 21, 2003, 3:26:06 PM, you wrote: > > RB> That's what I tought too until i read that discussion on sun forums. > man I > RB> wish I did not :). > RB> Now it seems to me that it duplicates more than it extends. Yes, there > are > RB> some ease of programing additions, but i'd prefer them without all the > RB> duplicted stuff and integrated with the servlet controller/handler > system. > RB> with struts, one tends of tune out the servlet spec and use the Struts > RB> facilities for everyting even though they might overlap and look the > same as > RB> the standard ones. And it grows: we have declerative exception handling > in > RB> web.xml, but we added a little better one to struts-config.xml. we have > a > RB> generic form (its the request), but we added i guess a more functional > one > RB> (DynaActionForm) usage of which is the same in most cases. one was able > to > RB> define a JDBC data source in a container and then use JNDI to find it, > but > RB> now you can define it in struts-config.xml. When are distributed > objects > RB> comming? :). just kidding :) > > RB> -----Original Message----- > RB> From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > RB> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:12 PM > RB> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RB> Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet > RB> container? > > > RB> I think the one thing that hasn't been mentioned. And this is my point > of > RB> view. The servlet architecture provides the mechanism for the the data > RB> flow. Struts utilizes and builds upon it to make it work in a more > RB> application-friendly manner. You've got all these roads and highways > RB> around, with paths already defined for you on how to get to the store. > Why > RB> don't you walk there? Or maybe build a vehicle to transport you. I bet > you > RB> get in the car you bought and drive because it's easier, it makes sense, > and > RB> you have a solid foundation underneath you (literally and figuratively). > RB> Plus you've got features like the a/c and radio -- you may not need > them, > RB> but they're there to use if you want them. Struts isn't a parallel > RB> architecture to the Servlet patterns. Struts builds on that design to > make > RB> it robust so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. So, yes, Struts > "does > RB> things in the same way the container does". But, it wraps it in a more > RB> friendly control system. > > > > RB> From: "Ranko Bijelonic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > RB> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > RB> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Jing > Zhou" > RB> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > RB> Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet > container? > RB> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:03:31 -0400 > > RB> >It is my understanding that the servlet spec, jsp spec, and jsf spec > are > RB> >regarded > RB> >as the framework of frameworks (a kind of interpretation of mine) > Struts > RB> >action mapping is designed in Struts way. If the struts-config.xml is > RB> merged > RB> >into the web.xml, a lot of other frameworks would not happy :-) How do > RB> >you solve such problems from the perspectives of spec leads, when you > RB> >realize Struts way is only one way? I guess they have to investigate a > lot > RB> >of > RB> >frameworks before committing one way (a 2 to 4 years effort). > > RB> >I presume your TaskAction is a more refined controller than the Struts > RB> >Action. It should understand event types, command name, etc. from the > RB> >http requests in order NOT to overlap the functionality of the Struts > RB> >Action. > RB> >The Struts Actions could recognize the task-config.xml and execute > RB> >configured TaskAction(s) in a workflow manner. In other words, the > RB> >Struts Actions are used to declare what to do, your TaskActions are > RB> >used to specify how to do. > > RB> >Does this address enough specific questions you have? > > RB> I'm not saying that the container should adopt the way Struts does > things, > RB> but that Struts does things in the same way the container does :). Both > are > RB> MVC frameworks wich delegate processing to configured handlers. Its > looks > RB> like its the same thing already. > RB> Ok, so do these extensions that I have built into my more refined > controller > RB> warrant rewriting the controller itself, or should I just try to extend > RB> Struts somehow to handle this extra functionality. Take DynaActionForms > for > RB> example, its usage is similar to that of a ServletRequest. I ask for a > RB> parameter/property by name and I get an Object. It might have some more > RB> functionality, but that could have been added by extending > RB> ServletRequestWrapper just as easily. I don't know. It just seems > things > RB> could be simpler while maintaining all of the benifits of Struts. > > RB> ranko > > > RB> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > RB> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RB> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > RB> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > RB> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RB> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > RB> _________________________________________________________________ > RB> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > RB> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > RB> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > RB> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RB> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > RB> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > RB> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RB> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
