hi, As far as i am concerned. My prefs are Eclipse and UEdit(designers can use in combination with other design ides like dreamweaver etc).
See more at http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/devtools.html Navjot Singh >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:15 PM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] JSP or Velocity > > >Hehe, I love this programmers vs designer concept. Every place Ive worked >its always the same poor sod (ie: yours truly) who has to do both roles. > >...and why is it Im always the only one who sees the advantages of >monospaced green text on a black background. Darn users always >wanting their >proportional fonts, and yucky pastel colours. Garrrgh! > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2004 06:07 >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] JSP or Velocity > > >Navjot, > >Though I haven't tried Velocity, I like the idea that my stub-pages can be >easily edited in HTML editors. How do your manage letting your designers >alter the JSP layouts? Do you have them use some (and if so, what is it) >HTML editor which is (Stuts JSP & EL) aware? > >Regards, >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: Navjot Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:31 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] JSP or Velocity > > >Basically, i use velocity only for email templates and sometimes >to generate >other kind of templates from one template where the use of XSLT is not >appropriate. >For web templates, that have more complex requirements, i prefer to use >taglibs. besides el makes life as easy as we may talk in velocity. In >velocity, to comprehend taglibs, you may have have to write lots of >velocimacro. > >you may ask for another opinion on velocity-user list as well. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Friday, 27 February 2004 21:26 >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [OT] JSP or Velocity >> >> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/04 5:44 AM >>> >>> I am starting to develop an application using struts and have been >>> looking round the rest of the Jakarta project and came across the >>> Velocity project. >>> >>> I was interested to see which which people recommended for a relative >>> newbie >> >>After looking at velocity, I am certainly of the opinion that it adds no >>value over >>jsp2/jstl. It offers absolutely nothing that the jsp2/jstl combination >>does not. >>The only difference is that velocity is a bit more terse (if/else/end >>instead of >><c:choose>/<c:when>/<c:otherwise>) and that it uses # instead of the <>. >> >>It is important to note that I am talking about jsp2 and tomcat 5, not >>the jsp1 in >>tomcat 4. >> >>A while back I looked in detail at the jsp/velocity comparison on the >>velocity site. >> >>There are several issues with the comparison. The person writing the >>case study >>was cleary biased towards velocity and had never even considered JSTL >>(which >>in all fairness may not have been available at that time). Looking at >>the code >>(both the velocity and jstl versions are below) I think that velocity >>clearly had >>an influence on the jsp2/jstl constructs. >> >>The first thing I noticed was that the two pages do not do the same >>thing. >>The jsp turns off the session (the vm does not). The jsp stores >>variables that >>are never used which were factored out in the vm version. The vm version >> >>is missing required code (for example, the repCode and urlEvent >>variables >>are never defined). >> >>The jsp page is also *very* poorly written using scriptlets. You should >>rarely need >>to use scriptlets in jsp1/jstl pages, and I suspect with jsp2/jstl, you >>will not ever >>*need* to. >> >>With struts, you do not need to use <jsp:useBean> tags either because >>the controller >>does that for you. >> >>The jsp2/jstl version is a bit more verbose because it is based on xml >>so you >>cannot have things like if/else/end because they are unbalanced, but >>other than >>that, there are no significant differences. >> >>After converting the page to use JSTL and eliminating ALL of the <% %> >>stuff, we >>get something more like this: >> >>=== >>The JSP version: >>=== >><table width="600" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" >> bgcolor="white"> >> <tr> >> <td> >> <i><b>Topic: ${meeting.topic}</b></i> >> >> <c:forEach list="${meeting.storedEventsIterator}" >>var="event"> >> <c:set var="yapper" >>value="${meeting.participation[event.fromId]}" /> >> <c:choose> >> <c:when test="${event.class.name eq >>'fqcn.URLPushedEvent'}"> >> <c:choose> >> <c:when test="${yapper.role eq 'R'}"> >> <c:set var="repId" >>value="${yapper.participantId}" /> >> <font >>color="#000000"><b>${yapper.name}:</b></font> >> </c:when> >> <c:otherwise> >> <font >>color="#0000f0"><b>${yapper.name}:</b></font> >> </c:otherwise> >> </c:choose> >> <a >>href="${event.storedData}">"${event.storedData}"</a> <br> >> </c:when> >> <c:when test="${event.class.name eq >>'fqcn.ChatEvent'}"> >> <c:choose> >> <c:when test="${yapper.role eq 'R'}"> >> <font >>color="#000000"><b>${yapper.name}:</b></font> >> <c:set var="repId" >>value="${yapper.participantId}" /> >> </c:when> >> <c:otherwise> >> <font >>color="#0000f0"><b>${yapper.name}:</b></font> >> </c:otherwise> >> </c:choose> >> <a >>href="${event.storedData}">"${event.storedData}"</a> <br> >> </c:when> >> </c:choose> >> </c:forEach> >> <hr> >> <br>${meeting.meetingId}:${repId}<br> >> </td> >> </tr> >></table> >>=== >>The velocity version: >>=== >><table width="600" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" >> bgcolor="white"> >> <tr> >> <td> >> <i><b>Topic: $meeting.getTopic()</b></i><p> >> >> #foreach( $event in $meeting.getStoredEventsIterator() ) >> #set( $yapper = >>$meeting.getParticipation($event.getFromId()) ) >> >> #if( $event.getClass().getName().equals($urlEvent) ) >> >> #if( $repRole.equals($yapper.getRole()) ) >> #set( $repId = $yapper.getParticipantId() ) >> <font >>color="$blk"><b>$yapper.getName()</b></font> >> >> #else >> <font >>color="$blu"><b>$yapper.getName()</b></font> >> #end >> >> <a >>href="$event.getStoredData()">$event.getStoredData()</a> <br> >> >> #elseif( $event.getClass().getName().equals($chatEvent) ) >> >> #if($repRole.equals($yapper.getRole()) ) >> #set( $repId = $yapper.getParticipantId() ) >> <font >>color="$blk"><b>$yapper.getName()</b></font> >> >> #else >> <font >>color="$blu"><b>$yapper.getName()</b></font> >> #end >> >> $event.getStoredData() <br> >> #end >> >> #end >> <hr> >> <br>$meeting.getMeetingId():$repId<br> >> </td> >> </tr> >></table> >>=== >> >>Larry >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
