Adam, its frowned upon to pass a web tier object (XXXXActionForm) into the business
tier. I believe a widely used technique is to use BeanUtils to copy the properties
from the XXXXActionForm to a DTO (a Domain Object) which can  be passed to the
business tier.

robert


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:57 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: action - delegate - facade
> 
> 
> Great book. Thanks for the link.
> 
> I think I need more knowledge of xdoclet before I make my mind up 
> though. This offers alot to mull over. Plus I'm also quite keen to use 
> faster, quicker patterns.
> 
> I use dynaactionforms in struts almost exclusively and regarding this 
> Data Transfer Hashmap, it irritates me that the data must be transferred 
> out of one hashmap into another.
> 
> In fact it would be ideal to be able to transfer the data in the 
> dynaactionform right down the line to the entity bean.
> 
> The data elements of each form are primarily defined in the 
> struts-config.xml, so I can't see a clean way of telling the entity bean 
> (or any other object) how to get the data out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/17/2004 11:33 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>Actually this is a pattern mentioned in "EJB Design Patterns - Advanced
> >>Patterns Processes and Idioms" called Data Transfer HashMap. You can
> >>download the pdf from TheServerSide.com. It's a pretty good read. The
> >>book goes into detail on the pros and cons of this pattern.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >   Well... it wasn't my intention to implement a software pattern :) (I am
> > kidding :) form-beans does the same job - I think - but mixes form input
> > data with form build data - again, feel free to criticize, afterall I am
> > still new with Struts).
> > 
> > 
> >   We already discussed this... but here goes for the rest of the mailing
> > list:
> > 
> >   - It surely saved me some time
> >   (I dont have to define on one XML file the beans I need and after that
> > execute something to automatically generate the java beans - you have to
> > be more carefull though, since you may only encounter some bugs on
> > runtime... unless you use strutstestcase/junit)
> > 
> >   - made a great work decoupling the presentation from business logic
> > (just like with form-beans)
> > 
> >   - I dont get confused about what is the user input data and what is the
> > data to help build the user form
> > 
> >   - it also had another side effect: much less lines for xml configuration
> > file... but more files per application (I can live with this :) )
> > 
> >   - it seems easier to reuse "view-beans"/"form-beans" when they are
> > decoupled... but i will need more time/experience to support this
> > 
> > 
> >   Thank you for the document. I will read it very carefully and see if
> > there is another challenge waiting outside this framework.
> > 
> > Pedro Salgado
> > 
> > 
> >>http://www.theserverside.com/books/wiley/EJBDesignPatterns/downloads/ejbdesignpatterns.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >>robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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