back on this thread after so long. (sorry davide, I focused on other stuff primarely, but now I'm back.)
I'm following a few wireframes here but mostly I think that the interaction is somewhat complex from what your sketches showed. I'll try to do something with them - and post some pictures for comment. Tomaz On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Davide DB <dbdav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC) > > Depth > > http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png > > Duration > > http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png > > SAC > > http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png > > A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type: > > http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png > > http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png > > > Bye > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <dbdav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <d...@hohndel.org> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface 4.4 > >> Did you check? > >> > > > > My fault :) > > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it! > > > >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When > it > >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach > >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful. > >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose > hence > >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them. > >> > >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new > >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs, > more > >> testing... > >> > > > > I agree with you > > > > > > > >> > >> > *Overall/General/Outline* > >> > > >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png > >> > > >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on > the > >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :) > >> > >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you... > >> > >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab. > >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we > >> > could > >> > have here: > >> > > >> > - Num of dives (where/when) > >> > - Total time diving (where/when) > >> > - Max / Min duration (where/when) > >> > - Max / Min depth (where/when) > >> > - Max / Min temperature (where/when) > >> > >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those? > > > > > > e.g. > > > > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015 > > > > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012 > > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010 > > > > And so on. > > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error > > > > > >> > >> > - Most dove spot/location > >> > - Average depth & average time > >> > >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives, > or > >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion > >> before... > > > > > > I guess mean depth of all the dives. > > > > > >> > >> > >> > - How many trips > >> > - Most used tank > >> > - > >> > - Total amount of gas used: > >> > - Air: xxx > >> > - He: yyy > >> > - O2: zzz > >> > > >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel > view > >> > to > >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later) > >> > >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text > >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in a > >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not to > >> have this 'overview'". > > > > > > > > I agree that mixing text info and a chart is not the best solution. > > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV with > > outline data. > > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use > > this like a badge. > > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network > > integration or even a front-page of html export. > > > > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm particulary > > fond of :) > > > > > >> > > >> > *Map View* > >> > > >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png > >> > > >> > > >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw > this > >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here > in > >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location). > >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color > >> > bubble > >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is > >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap. > >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more examples > >> > if > >> > you are interested. > >> > >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want > this > >> one. > >> > >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot view > >> > like > >> > our current Marble map. > >> > >> Yes! > >> > >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover > on > >> > a > >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details. > >> > >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot? > > > > > > Try for yourself: > > > > http://www.diveboard.com/explore > > > > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on > the > > map layer. > > > > THis is a news site: > > > > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/ > > > > Maybe it is a google map api > > > > > >> > >> > *Time goes by view* > >> > > >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png > >> > > >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical > >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time. > >> > > >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for > months > >> > and years. > >> > > >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts: > micro > >> > columns/bar charts. > >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart). > >> > > >> > Our chart would have: > >> > > >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars > >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of > >> > gray) > >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray. > >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with most/least > >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example. > >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info > box > >> > like the current dive profile. > >> > >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive > >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm > mis-judging > >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting and > >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what > not. > > > > > > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place. > > I will try to sketch it. > > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this > > > > > >> > >> > >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a bar > >> > of a > >> > special color. > >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position. > >> > > >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)* > >> > > >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png > >> > > >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting > >> > depth > >> > and duration both on x and y-axis... > >> > > >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless > while > >> > having them on x-axis is useful. > >> > > >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os > gas > >> > consumption through experience. > >> > > >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two charts > >> > just > >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis. > >> > >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has > >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem > >> obvious and easy to do. > >> > > > > Ok, I'll try > > > > > >> > >> > *Pie view* > >> > > >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png > >> > > >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here. > >> > I found: > >> > > >> > - Deco/Curve > >> > - Ripetitive dive Y/n > >> > - Sea/Fresh water dive > >> > - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive > >> > - DC Model > >> > - Countries > >> > > >> > >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to > be. > >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't > >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs. > >> incremental effort don't look promising. > > > > > > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives > > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in > you > > career? > > > > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) ) > > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is > somewhat > > a "fluff". > > It's like a selfie. > > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with > > anal-retentive thinking :) > > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log > > their dives but maybe I'm wrong. > > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time compiling > > logbooks? > > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb > divers. > > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their statistics. > > > > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger > joe > > :) > > > > > >> > >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible > to > >> > calculate or display. > >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning. > >> > >> Can you give examples? > > > > > > > > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one > > dive, what do you pretend to see? > > > > Bye > > > > -- > > Davide > > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos > > > > -- > Davide > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos >
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