Hi Tomaz, I'm reading your mail right now. Sorry or this. I completely lost of sight Subsurface because I'm under pressure with my job.
I promise you I will try to study again my ideas of one year ago and I will give a feedback asap. Bye On 12 March 2016 at 20:56, Tomaz Canabrava <tcanabr...@kde.org> wrote: > back on this thread after so long. > (sorry davide, I focused on other stuff primarely, but now I'm back.) > > I'm following a few wireframes here but mostly I think that the interaction > is somewhat complex from what your sketches showed. > > I'll try to do something with them - and post some pictures for comment. > > Tomaz > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Davide DB <dbdav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC) >> >> Depth >> >> http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png >> >> Duration >> >> http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png >> >> SAC >> >> http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png >> >> A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type: >> >> http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png >> >> http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png >> >> >> Bye >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <dbdav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <d...@hohndel.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface >> >> 4.4 >> >> Did you check? >> >> >> > >> > My fault :) >> > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it! >> > >> >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When >> >> > it >> >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach >> >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful. >> >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose >> >> > hence >> >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them. >> >> >> >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new >> >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs, >> >> more >> >> testing... >> >> >> > >> > I agree with you >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > *Overall/General/Outline* >> >> > >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png >> >> > >> >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on >> >> > the >> >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :) >> >> >> >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you... >> >> >> >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab. >> >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we >> >> > could >> >> > have here: >> >> > >> >> > - Num of dives (where/when) >> >> > - Total time diving (where/when) >> >> > - Max / Min duration (where/when) >> >> > - Max / Min depth (where/when) >> >> > - Max / Min temperature (where/when) >> >> >> >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those? >> > >> > >> > e.g. >> > >> > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015 >> > >> > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012 >> > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010 >> > >> > And so on. >> > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > - Most dove spot/location >> >> > - Average depth & average time >> >> >> >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives, >> >> or >> >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion >> >> before... >> > >> > >> > I guess mean depth of all the dives. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - How many trips >> >> > - Most used tank >> >> > - >> >> > - Total amount of gas used: >> >> > - Air: xxx >> >> > - He: yyy >> >> > - O2: zzz >> >> > >> >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel >> >> > view >> >> > to >> >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later) >> >> >> >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text >> >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in >> >> a >> >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not >> >> to >> >> have this 'overview'". >> > >> > >> > >> > I agree that mixing text info and a chart is not the best solution. >> > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV >> > with >> > outline data. >> > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use >> > this like a badge. >> > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network >> > integration or even a front-page of html export. >> > >> > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm >> > particulary >> > fond of :) >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > *Map View* >> >> > >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw >> >> > this >> >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here >> >> > in >> >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location). >> >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color >> >> > bubble >> >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is >> >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap. >> >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more >> >> > examples >> >> > if >> >> > you are interested. >> >> >> >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want >> >> this >> >> one. >> >> >> >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot >> >> > view >> >> > like >> >> > our current Marble map. >> >> >> >> Yes! >> >> >> >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover >> >> > on >> >> > a >> >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details. >> >> >> >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot? >> > >> > >> > Try for yourself: >> > >> > http://www.diveboard.com/explore >> > >> > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on >> > the >> > map layer. >> > >> > THis is a news site: >> > >> > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/ >> > >> > Maybe it is a google map api >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > *Time goes by view* >> >> > >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png >> >> > >> >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical >> >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time. >> >> > >> >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for >> >> > months >> >> > and years. >> >> > >> >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts: >> >> > micro >> >> > columns/bar charts. >> >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart). >> >> > >> >> > Our chart would have: >> >> > >> >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars >> >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of >> >> > gray) >> >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray. >> >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with >> >> > most/least >> >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example. >> >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info >> >> > box >> >> > like the current dive profile. >> >> >> >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive >> >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm >> >> mis-judging >> >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting >> >> and >> >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what >> >> not. >> > >> > >> > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place. >> > I will try to sketch it. >> > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a >> >> > bar >> >> > of a >> >> > special color. >> >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position. >> >> > >> >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)* >> >> > >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png >> >> > >> >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting >> >> > depth >> >> > and duration both on x and y-axis... >> >> > >> >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless >> >> > while >> >> > having them on x-axis is useful. >> >> > >> >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os >> >> > gas >> >> > consumption through experience. >> >> > >> >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two >> >> > charts >> >> > just >> >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis. >> >> >> >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has >> >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem >> >> obvious and easy to do. >> >> >> > >> > Ok, I'll try >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > *Pie view* >> >> > >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png >> >> > >> >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here. >> >> > I found: >> >> > >> >> > - Deco/Curve >> >> > - Ripetitive dive Y/n >> >> > - Sea/Fresh water dive >> >> > - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive >> >> > - DC Model >> >> > - Countries >> >> > >> >> >> >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to >> >> be. >> >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't >> >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs. >> >> incremental effort don't look promising. >> > >> > >> > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives >> > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in >> > you >> > career? >> > >> > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) ) >> > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is >> > somewhat >> > a "fluff". >> > It's like a selfie. >> > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with >> > anal-retentive thinking :) >> > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log >> > their dives but maybe I'm wrong. >> > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time >> > compiling >> > logbooks? >> > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb >> > divers. >> > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their >> > statistics. >> > >> > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger >> > joe >> > :) >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible >> >> > to >> >> > calculate or display. >> >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning. >> >> >> >> Can you give examples? >> > >> > >> > >> > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one >> > dive, what do you pretend to see? >> > >> > Bye >> > >> > -- >> > Davide >> > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos >> >> >> >> -- >> Davide >> https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos > > -- Davide https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos _______________________________________________ subsurface mailing list subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org http://lists.subsurface-divelog.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/subsurface