I have spent time playing w/ opencroquet but not seaside. They are both great projects but are very academically focused (sorry bertf!) and have tiny communities.
I think a GSoC project focusing on creating an AJAX sugar app is a great way to go forward. Getting it to work w/ a popular IDE is a separate and less important probelm. On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 17:14 +0000, Frederick Grose wrote: > How about something in Croquet, > http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or Seaside, > http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment for the > web, say Honeycomb? > > I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those hoods. > --Fred > > > 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn <jameson.qu...@gmail.com> > I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about > development kits/IDEs like aptana, than about > desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator Titanium, > Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and > Curl). I think it would be a great project to take Titanium or > Prism and make a generic sugar-like hello-world which used > Javascript to save to the journal, set some tags, open a file, > coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar. Whether you > worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate > issue. > > Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the > products mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong. > > Jameson > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry > <br...@olenepal.org> wrote: > They don't compare currently but they are developing > rapidly, > particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great > thing about aptana > is that there is for-profit company behind it that > seems to do a good > job of sponsoring open-source development. > > Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for > js+html5 for all > apps place of flash. > > > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <bryan.be...@gmail.com>: > > > Felipe, > > > > > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true > > > > > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years > behind macromedia flash. > > > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 > to Gnash. > > > > > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into > Sugar would be the best > > > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate > activities created with > > > javascript + html5 into Sugar. > > > > > > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for > integrating flash > > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + > html5 is a much better > > > bet because it better adheres to our common belief > in open-source and > > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more > javascript developers out > > > there than flash developers. This new rework of > Karma could take > > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new > javascript animation > > > libraries like processing.js and GX. > > > > That looks very interesting, but what about > authoring tools for > > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash > authoring tools? > > > > Regards, > > > > Tomeu > > > > > You could start out by trying to recreate some of > OLE Nepal's existing > > > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can > find some here: > > > > > http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html > > > > > > If you are interested in such a project, I am > definitely be interested > > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I > am professionally a > > > project manager and not a software engineer. In > fact my software > > > development skills are extremely limited beyond > writing broken python > > > scripts. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan W. Berry > > > Technology Director > > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn > wrote: > > >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates > issues when > > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include > it pre-installed in > > >> images for download). > > >> > > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) > has some good ideas > > >> about how that idea should work, though he's not > signed up as a > > >> mentor. You should think about your design, and > then discuss it with > > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list. > > >> > > >> Jameson > > >> > > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo > <zer.subz...@gmail.com> > > >> Thanks. > > >> > > >> I'm interested: > > >> SWF Sugar > > >> * Integrate SWF > (Flash/Gnash) > > >> applications into > Sugar. > > >> * Ideally, develop > a demo activity which > > >> could be used as > a template for > > >> sugarizing > Flash/Gnash activities. > > >> * Priority for > Sugar: Very High ("never > > >> bet against the > browser") > > >> * Difficulty (as a > GSoC project): hard > > >> * Skills needed: > SWF/Python integration > > >> > > >> why Gnash?, there is already a stable > version of adobe player > > >> for linux. > > >> > > >> really have very good ideas. Interesting! > > >> > > >> Greetings. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson > Quinn > > >> <jameson.qu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas > > >> > > >> Good hunting :) > > >> > > >> Jameson > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, > Felipe López Toledo > > >> <zer.subz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Hi. > > >> > > >> I'm Felipe López Toledo, > a university student > > >> I read your message > > >> > > (http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en) > > >> I visited > > >> > http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners > > >> > > >> relly good work!. > > >> > > >> it would be nice to see > you in the GSoC 2009. > > >> by the way, do you have a > project list? > > >> > > >> thanks. > > >> > > >> Felipe > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -- > > > Bryan W. Berry > > > Technology Director > > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > -- > > Bryan W. Berry > Technology Director > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel