Thanks a lot for the information. And I'm not a teacher myself so all my comments above are based on second-hand experience.
However my understanding is that the learning goals for each grade are very well defined and due to the small variety of different school books in-use in schools (this seems to be a global problem;-) there's hardly any difference between schools in terms of what material is taught at a given time. Regardless of these details there's no doubt in my mind that a time-component, whether it's a weekly or a monthly basis, is an important axis of navigation in interactive learning materials. Plus, this is a core use-case for Nepal anyway so even if I wanted I couldn't really avoid it:-) BTW, I'd be interested in hearing how the process of getting from national curricula to lesson plans work in other countries around the globe. Anyone have more information on this? Cheers, Christoph 2009/8/6 NoiseEHC <noise...@freemail.hu> > Now that is strange... > In Hungary there is a document called NATIONAL CORE CURRICULUM (NCC). In > contains only the goals what the schools must meet at the end of the year > (in fact it only defines those goals in periods of 2 years), and it only has > an advised number of hours per week per subject. It is up to the school to > define a Local Curriculum (LC) which contains the lesson structure. Of > course the teacher defining this Local Curriculum is constrained not only by > the NCC but also by the fact that there are only approximately 3 books for > every subject in a given grade (the school decides which books must be > bought by parents at the beginning of every grade) and the kids have > nationwide tests to take. So in the end the LCs do not differ too much but > giving a date for a lesson is practically impossible. > > I do not know what other school systems are you aware of but probably > getting info from around the world would be wise. (Of course if you need > this feature in Nepal then obviously you will code it so it should not > withhold nor delay you.) > > NCC abridged version in English: > > http://www.okm.gov.hu/main.php?folderID=137&articleID=6994&ctag=articlelist&iid=1 > > ps: > I am not a teacher but my ex-girlfriend who graduated as a teacher (just > works something else) told me just this and reading the NCC I had the same > understanding. In the end I am only 98% sure that this is the situation in > Hungary so I will ask somebody about it. > > > > > Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > > Andras, > in basically every school system I'm aware of it's not the teacher that > decides what material is taught and when it's taught but rather a > well-defined national curriculum. > > Hence what OLE Nepal currently does with their E-Paath learning > activities is to create specific interactive lesson content that aligns very > closely with the Nepali curriculum, the associated school books and weeks > when the material is to be taught. This is definitely a major use-case for > something such as a library of Karma lessons, hence I want to support it in > Karma's Chakra. > > However national curricula obviously differ from country to country hence > available lessons will be re-mixed in > different ways to support these specific requirements. That's where the idea > to put that meta-data into the locale/ directories comes from. > > > At the same time I also think it makes sense to support a more generic view > where all lessons for a specific Grade and Subject (or, as already mentioned > above, only per Subject) are presented in a simple list. > > I hope that answers your questions. > > Cheers, > Christoph > > 2009/8/5 NoiseEHC <noise...@freemail.hu> > >> Exactly what is the problem that this solution wants to solve? I mean >> that is not the teacher who selects from the lessons depending on her >> personal lesson plan? (Of course we could provide a default lesson plan but >> in the end it is up to the teacher what she wants to teach and in what >> order.) >> So is it important at all to select from a predetermined date or country >> specific grade? >> Can it be that I do not understand at all how those lessons would be used >> in the classroom? Or is this mega bundle (what bundles a lot of lessons from >> different subjects) solves the deployability problem and creates a selection >> problem? >> >> Christoph Derndorfer wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I spent some time toying around with Chakra in the past 24 hours. As a >> preliminary result I have concluded that we should initially support two >> different "views" of the available lessons. >> >> (1) What I call "E-Paath" style (see the attached chakra_epaath_s.jpg) >> as it follows E-Paath's current flow in terms of choosing Grade - Subject - >> Week before being presented with an overview of the available lessons. >> (2) "List" style (see the attached chakra_list_s.jpg) which is a simple >> list of lessons available for that Grade and Subject (of course one could >> make it even simpler by listing all lessons for a given Subject, regardless >> of Grade) >> >> (Please ignore the lack of reasonable design and color choices in these >> screenshots;-) >> >> Now the question is how to generate these Chakras for a given set of >> lessons (which are stored in sub-folders)... >> >> In general the issue is that with the currently proposed Karma bundle >> layout (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma/Bundle_layout) the only >> information we have about a lesson is it's name. This is of course too >> little data to create a nice Chakra with Grade and Subject choices. >> Subsequently I believe that we should find a way to include some additional >> information with lessons. >> >> The way that OLE Nepal currently handles it during E-Paath development >> is that lessons are stored in sub-folders named <Grade>_<Subject>_<Lesson >> Name>_<Week> (e.g. 6_English_RajuAndTheWolf_1). Based on that information a >> support scripts then builds the Flash menu structure. >> >> Now I was thinking that one approach could be to include some sort of >> .info file in each lesson that contains the information. While Subject >> probably will be fairly consistent between various countries the Grade >> information is highly country-specific and could be put into the respective >> .po files for each locale. >> >> What do you think, does that approach make sense? What are other >> possible solutions to deal with this? >> >> As always, all comments, feedback and suggestions are much appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Christoph >> >> -- >> Christoph Derndorfer >> co-editor, olpcnews >> url: www.olpcnews.com >> e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing >> listsugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> >> > > > -- > Christoph Derndorfer > co-editor, olpcnews > url: www.olpcnews.com > e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com > > > -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com
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