Hi Manuel,

On 16 Jun 2011, at 05:29, manuel quiñones wrote:

> El día 16 de junio de 2011 01:23, Gonzalo Odiard <[email protected]> 
> escribió:
>> NIce!
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> Two options more:
> 
> http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/import-export/document_import-export_2.png
> 
> I think they are more clear, but the objects (arrow and doc) may be
> too small on screen.

Sorry for this rushed email, I'm late to this thread!

- I agree the 2nd two designs don't provide enough space for the object being 
imported/exported (the blank document is the simplest visual case).

- The 1st design is better in size but is too similar to the existing 14 
transfer-from-XXXX and transfer-to-XXXX icons already used in sugar-artwork for 
the object transfer over the network feature (Journal "Send to -> friend").

- I think introducing a 3d metaphor with the use of perspective is not ideal – 
I'm sure there was a past thread about avoiding 3D metaphors in the flat 
silhouette design style, but I can't find it, no mention of perspective in the 
HIG either. There are only a few cases of 3D styling in Sugar designs at the 
moment (the open Journal cover in the Keep icon, the my computer XO icon, the 
long/lat lines on the Browse related icons) and none try to show perspective.

Taking a step back, here's a quick list of the goals I have written down:

1) ability to show different object types (pdf, png, generic image, python, etc)
2) visually distinguish importing vs. exporting from/to the Journal
3) distinguish between the existing "Send to --> friend" and 
importing/exporting from your Journal
4) visually distinguish saving/loading from the file system tree

Personally I have a strong dislike for case 4. It seems a short term 
compromise/hack to raise a traditional gnome file chooser. Ideally if this is 
seen an essential Sugar feature, the Object Chooser should allow switching to 
view of the filesystem which – to be honest – seems like an almost solved 
problem already as the Object Chooser will display any extra mounted volumes in 
its toolbar (like a USB stick). Walter has a proposed patch already that shows 
your ~/Documents folder in just such a way in the Journal, so the same could be 
done for the Object Chooser (not sure the if ~/Documents patch works at the 
volume mount level so might need some extra work). The need for case 4 could 
then be dropped and all activity authors would automatically benefit from the 
new ability.

If case 4 goes away, we could go back to the original design used for the Keep 
icon. Where we have a large user fill/stroke coloured image of the object in 
question (pdf, png, generic image, python, etc) and a small white arrow in the 
top right corner. Pointing to the document visual to indicate creation of it 
(export to ...), and pointing away from it to indicate loading of it (import 
from ...).

Regards,
--Gary

>> Gonzalo
>> 
>> 2011/6/16 manuel quiñones <[email protected]>
>>> 
>>> Hi, I'm sending my first try at this icons, based on a discussion in
>>> the design meeting past sunday (sorry Gary you missed the last part).
>>> 
>>> It becomes apparent that we need icons for export and import of
>>> documents.  For example, Write reuses the document-save icon for
>>> export.
>>> 
>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/import-export/document-import.svg
>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/import-export/document-export.svg
>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/import-export/document_import-export.png
>>> 
>>> This is how they can be used in Write:
>>> 
>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/import-export/import-export_mockup.png
>>> 
>>> Regards,
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>> 
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