Hi Simon,

On 29 Jul 2011, at 12:10, Simon Schampijer wrote:

> On 07/28/2011 06:12 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 12:55, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07/27/2011 06:00 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>> 
>>>> On 27 Jul 2011, at 14:44, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 07/27/2011 01:40 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>>>>>>> device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do 
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an 
>>>>>>> external
>>>>>>> device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 
>>>>>>> 'owned'?
>>>>>>> We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, 
>>>>>>> that can
>>>>>>> be added.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think is better add the Journal in the Copy to submenu when you are in 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> device.
>>>>>> Also, probably the Clipboard should be the last option, no the first,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I sent new mockups going back to my original design without a 'duplicate 
>>>>> entry'. This does 'solve' the issue you raise.
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW I do still find 'Copy to ->   Journal' confusing and unexpected. I'd 
>>>> certainly not look for that functionality it in the 'Copy to' sub palette, 
>>>> and even if I did see the Journal icon in there I would assume it was a 
>>>> bug (this object is already in my Journal, why would I want to copy over 
>>>> it).
>>> 
>>> Ok, accepted, as you are not the only one. Let's keep the duplicate entry.
>>> 
>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if we should just replace the activity Keep button 
>>>> with a Duplicate button and not try to expose it in the Journal/details 
>>>> view?
>>> 
>>> Ohh no, everything but not that :-)
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>>>> BTW What was wrong with adding a top-level Duplicate toolbar icon to the 
>>>> Details view (to match how Duplicate was at the top level of the Journal 
>>>> object palette)?
>>> 
>>> Yeah, thought that as well myself this morning, attached are the new 
>>> screenshots.
>>> 
>>> Some words about my decisions:
>>> 
>>> - the duplicate option is only visible in the Journal entry palette and the 
>>> Journal entry detail view, not in the palette and detail view of the file 
>>> on the external device
>>> 
>>> - the duplicate option is colored in the entry color as this exact entry 
>>> gets duplicated (in the screenshots we see two entries with different 
>>> colors in the same Journal and the color of the option changes 
>>> accordingly), I wondered if the icon itself should show actually two 
>>> colored objects not only one (duplication)
>> 
>> I've had a quick look at the mockup in your more recent email, having all of 
>> the duplicate icon in the to be duplicated object colour does not work for 
>> me as a small palette icon. Better with one part in white and one in colour. 
>> It's visually clearer (still visible at the small size if a user has an 
>> unfortunate colour choice). If you think the colour metaphor is not being 
>> fully adhered to, think of the icon as an action in progress, part way 
>> through duplication ;)
> 
> Accepted.
> 
>>> - the copy-to Journal option in the palette of the file on the external 
>>> device is colored in the users color.
>> 
>> Good (I assume you mean the copy-to -->  Journal, where the Journal is in 
>> the users own colour as the object on the external device has no current 
>> metadata).
> 
> Yes, indeed.
> 
>> I notice in the users Journal palette that the copy-to icon is not picking 
>> up the object colour? Was this intended as this should be using the object 
>> colour in the same way as the duplicate icon. Looks like you have it 
>> correctly coloured in the details view toolbar.
> 
> Done now.
> 
>>> - for the copy-to icon I am not sure if colored or black/white makes more 
>>> sense, because uncertain I went for b/w
>> 
>> Yes the copy-to icon for objects without metadata would be black&  white.
> 
> Yes, that's the case. To compare I have copied a Journal entry to the 
> external device. The color of the copy-to icon in the palette and detail view 
> is picked up.
> 
> Are the screenshots below look good now? I would send the patches for review 
> then.

Fab, thanks. Yes they all looked very good and in context.

--Gary

> Thanks a lot for the quick feedback,
>   Simon
> 
> 
> 
> 
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