About phase two: What is wrong with our actual Feature process? About topics you are not talking, I would like AC spend some time trying to push features upstream. That was almost not done in the last year, and I am working on that right now, but would be good some help from your part.
Gonzalo On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:29 PM, David Farning <dfarn...@activitycentral.com > wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, David Farning > > <dfarn...@activitycentral.com> wrote: > >> I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by > >> participating on this thread. > >> > >> The three things I am going to takeway from the the thread are: > >> 1. Jame's point about my position about not representing the median. > >> Due to my history and role in the ecosystem, I have upset some > >> apple-carts :( > >> 2. Martin's point about the right hand not always being aware of what > >> the left hand is doing. This unfortunately seems to happen too > >> frequently. > >> 3. Finally, and most importantly, Daniel's point about getting back > >> to the business of improving Sugar. > >> > >> My proposal is that Activity Central make the next step of funding two > >> developers to work on HTML5 and JS. If we can find a mutually > >> beneficial relationship around this, we can see how we can expand the > >> relationship in the future. > >> > >> Seem reasonable? > > > > Proposals aside (of course more eyes and hands would be appreciated) > > there is still the underlying issue of mistrust that you have raised. > > I think it is important that we clear the air and I think it is not > > unreasonable to ask you to be specific about your perceptions that > > somehow Sugar Labs is not acting in a transparent manner. > > Agreed, let's do it step wise: > Phase one -- Code and Roger will will start on the HTML5 + JS work > with Daniel and Manq. > > Daniel has struck me as 'fair but firm.' On Activity Central's side, > we are probably not going to incorporate that work in customer facing > products for 6-9 months. Thus, it can be a trial of AC supporting > upstream on innovative work without subjecting upstream the to > changing desires of customers. > > Phase two -- Let's look at lessons learned from other projects. We can > focus on the road map and product specification. From my experience, > these two piece can provide an anchor for the rest of the project: > 1. The act of sitting down and hashing out the roadmap and project > specification causes everyone to sit back and assess their individual > priorities and goals.... and how they fit into the project as a whole. > 2. The act of deciding which items are above the line and which are > below the line, which are targeted for this release and which are > pushed to a future release, help find the balance between what is > possible some day and what is probable in X months of work with > existing resources. > 3. Sitting back and preparing for a release forces us to asses what is > good enough for release what is not. It is a good feedback loop. > 4. Finally, after a successful release everyone can sit back bask is > the satisfaction that maybe we didn't save the world... but we make > enough progress that it is worth getting up again tomorrow and doing > it all again. > > Phase three -- Let's look at some mechanism for balancing the need to > push the project forward through innovation and support existing > deployments by providing stability. > > David > > > -walter > > > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez <dwnarv...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> On 29 October 2013 01:14, David Farning <dfarn...@activitycentral.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> As two Data points: > >>>> In a private conversation with an Association employee they told me > >>>> that they conciser Activity Central a competitor because Activity > >>>> Central increased deployments expectations. Their strategy with regard > >>>> to Activity Central was to _not_ accept patches upstream with the goal > >>>> of causing Activity Central and Dextrose to collapse under its their > >>>> weight. As it was private conversation I am not sure how widely spread > >>>> the opinion was held. > >>> > >>> > >>> The patch queue is currently empty. In the last six months only one > patchset > >>> was rejected. It was by Activity Central and it was rejected by me > (not an > >>> OLPC employee) for purely technical reasons. The proof being that the > same > >>> patchset landed after being cleaned up and resubmitted properly by > another > >>> Activity Central developer. > >>> > >>> More in general, no single developer is in charge of patch reviewing, > OLPC > >>> couldn't keep code out of the tree for non-technical reason even if > they > >>> wanted to. More specifically the ability to approve patches was > offered to > >>> one Activity Central developer, which never used it. > >>> > >>>> Recently there was a call for help testing HTML5 and JS. Two > >>>> developers Code and Roger have been writing proof of concept > >>>> activities. They have been receiving extensive off-list help getting > >>>> started. But, interestingly, their on-list request for clarification > >>>> about how to test datastore was met with silence. > >>> > >>> > >>> Mailing list posts going unanswered isn't really uncommon in free > software > >>> projects. But most of the time it just means that no one knows the > answer or > >>> everyone is too busy. > >>> > >>> Only me and Manuel are usually answering about HTML5. I have not > answered > >>> because... gmail put those messages in my spam folder, sigh! Most > likely the > >>> same happened to Manuel or he has been busy. (I need to take some > sleep now > >>> but I'll try to answer asap). > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> David Farning > >> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Devel mailing list > >> de...@lists.laptop.org > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > > > > > -- > > Walter Bender > > Sugar Labs > > http://www.sugarlabs.org > > > > -- > David Farning > Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >
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