El 06/11/13 10:00, Daniel Narvaez escribió:
On 6 November 2013 07:15, Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebast...@fuentelibre.org>> wrote:

    I too feel the overall attitude within this list has been
    dismissive of
    non-conforming ideas and individuals, sometimes bluntly. The spanish
    speakers, from Xavi who did so much translation, to Homunq who
    started (and abandoned) Develop Activity, to Yama whose ideals always
    seemed to clash with reality, I miss them. I myself have been often
    frustrated, having retreated biting my tongue more than once.

    It makes me think of the eastern spiritual ideal of speaking only when
    necessary, and then only the truth, and then only with sweet words.

    Probably we have all broken that ideal here, and it is not clear
    how to
    facilitate constructive non-conformism.


I can think of at least a couple of cases where the list could have been more welcoming to non-comforming contributors.

That said I hope this thread doesn't discourage people to get involved. Everything can be improved but Sugar is perhaps the most welcoming free software community I know of... For good or for bad, "sweet words" aren't really what you are normally met by if your ideas or patches are not considered high quality enough by the existing community.
I realize I chose my wording poorly. I did not mean "this list" but "this community". You have to realize that Sugar community is explicitly more than just a Free Software community. It's Supposed to be an Education Project, it's an ideal, it's more than just development, it's a diverse community of people who believe in the value of collaboration and freedom as ways to impact
learning and therefore to change the world.

Therefore we should excersize care in making this a welcoming environment not just for developers, but for any kind of contributors. It may be painstakingly slow, but I see the advent of freedom culture within the educational systems and therefore governments as an unstoppable force, and Sugar as
a big part of that.

By the way, you always manage to respond constructively and positively. Kudos for that.

Regards,
--
Sebastian
@icarito
R+D SomosAzucar.Org
Sugar Labs Perú
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