Hi, Dave
I am not sure I understand your reference to 'cheapest computers'. As
far as I can tell, the Raspberry Pi Zero is a scam. The pocketchip
illustrates
the problem with the Raspberry Pi. Once you add the components needed to
make a useful, deployable computer - the cost is greater than that of
an XO.
I have yet to see a computer on the market that offers the capabilities
of the XO for olpc deployments.
On a separate note. I looked at the Vision proposal. It certainly
deserves a close look. However, I tried to find out what are 'best
practices' only to
be shown a perfect example of very bad practice. I followed a series of
links only to find not one explained what a best practice is or who
decides on
what is 'best'. I hope we can do a better job of documentation than that.
Tony
On 05/30/2016 04:36 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
Hi
I want to return to this older thread because of James Cameron's
comment in
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275 :
On the assumption that Sugar Labs is dropping support for XO-1,
I'll close this pull request. Thanks for your time!
But I understood from Tony and Adam in this thread that Sugar Labs
_should_ keep support for the XO-1 as a goal. Adam said,
In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years and
year to come. Similar to Tony's description, but these typically
will be using 32GB SD cards -- thankfully these are incredibly
affordable. The resilience/repairability of the XO-1 laptops is
the absolutely fascinating part.
I think this goal is wise because it ensures that Sugar runs well on
the cheapest computers - like the $10 getchip.com/pages/pocketchip
<http://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip> and $5
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero - and ensures
performance is only better on later XO models and 'regular'
desktops/laptops.
I edited https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016 to reflect
this.
Cheers
Dave
On 5 April 2016 at 17:04, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org
<mailto:qu...@laptop.org>> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:37:45AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
> Hi James
>
> On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org
<mailto:qu...@laptop.org>> wrote:
>
> Let me spin you a tail.
>
> The myth of forward human development doesn't apply to software.
>
> This is a parade of people, several walking abreast, beside
a slow
> moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a ribbon.
>
> The truck is the world, and the internet as it stands.
>
> The first person, next to the truck, are our learners or users.
>
> The second person is Sugar Labs; with our activities, and Sugar.
>
> The third person is distributions of Linux, like Fedora and
Ubuntu,
>
> The fourth person are the hardware vendors, like commodity
suppliers
> or OLPC.
>
> The fifth person are the Linux kernel developers.
>
> As the procession walks beside the truck, the ribbon is not
always
> straight.
>
> Some people walk faster than others. Some let go of the
ribbon and
> others take their place.
>
> I'm glad you're here, you're bringing a new perspective.
>
> But the ribbon is actually toilet paper, so the pressure to
keep up,
> while real, doesn't get felt, instead the paper breaks.
>
> Do not target a rapidly diminishing enthusiastic group, or
the future
> users will suffer.
>
> I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand you here at the last line.
You had said
> earlier,
>
> > for the future of Sugar Labs, they should be concentrating on
> > later designs than one from 2007 that is no longer
available and
> > rapidly dying from old age.
>
> So you mean, it would be unwise for Sugar Lab's
vision/mission/strategy for the
> next 3-5 years to focus on supporting the rapidly diminishing (yet
> enthusiastic) group of XO owners, and focus on the future users
who are not XO
> owners?
You might target this group of XO-1 owners and become a closed
community into which all communications are judged against suitability
for the majority (which would then be XO-1 owners).
It would feel good! [warning, sarcasm in this paragraph]
I'm loath to battle the laws of physics, 'cause I know who wins.
--
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
--
Cheers
Dave
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