On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:58 PM James Cameron <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:00:07AM -0400, Jeff Elkner wrote: > > Thanks for the quick responses, Chihurumnaya and James! Yes, > > pressing F3 did the trick. > > Yay! > > > I should have remembered that from my OLPC days, but it has been so > > long since I've used Sugar. Incidentally, I had forgotten that I > > lent my last two XO4's to a former student so that he could > > experiment with mesh networking. He is finished with them and is > > returning them to me. A quick look at: > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/18.04.0 > > > > reveals that the latest Sugar update for my XO's will be running > > Ubuntu 18.04, > > No, it's not for your XOs. > > > but also that it has the same issues I'm seeing in the > > Debian Sid VM with Metacity, I guess? > > No, I fixed it. > > > James, I can't agree with you from personal experience that "Rasbian > > has a very high barrier to entry unless the microSD card is > > purchased already loaded (e.g. NOOBS)." On the contrary, the > > website instructions for creating your own microSD card are super > > easy using etcher (https://www.balena.io/etcher/). When you first > > boot from the resulting microSD, it automatically runs a script that > > expands the file system to fill the card, so the steps are really > > just: > > > > 1. Install Etcher. > > 2. Download the Raspian image file. > > 3. Write it to the microSD card. > > 4. Put it in your Raspberry Pi, turn it on, and follow directions. > > 5. Enjoy your new operating system! > > > > That's precisely what I mean by a "user friendly recipe", since it > > is cross platform, does not even require knowledge of the Unix CLI, > > and works like a charm. > > You most likely have more skills than the people I've trained in this > recipe. We must think of the people who are prevented by disadvantage > from gaining these skills. > > But my question was answered, thanks. I now know what level of skill > you are aiming for, and that means we can collaborate further. > > It's a how long is a piece of string argument. > > Given that level of skill, a *truly* beginner friendly installation > recipe that you have as a goal should be (a) install Raspbian, (b) > install Sugar. > > Step (a) is already well documented by the Raspberry Pi Foundation, > and many Raspberry Pi are purchased with preloaded Raspbian. > > Step (b) recipe is here; > https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md > > It works now for Debian Stretch, and when Debian Buster is released it > should be the same. > > Step (b) could be improved by writing a script to do the install, and > fix any of the bugs that haven't been fixed in the Debian packages. > Or the bugs might be reported to Debian instead. I prefer the latter, > because the rising tide lifts all boats. > > If you begin to do this, you'll probably be the first person doing it > for years. Thank you! > > > Last thing to report -- After Chihurumnaya so kindly and patiently > > reminded my about F3 (which I really should have remembered :-(, I > > was able to get to the main activity window and see the four > > activities. Three of them worked, but the browse activity did not. > > Also test the hidden activities. You can see these with F3 Ctrl-2. > > > I think is is really important to fix the Metacity problem so that > > you see the proper welcome screen when you launch Sugar. I'm not > > going to try to push things onto Debian stretch. > > Reporting the problems against Debian Stretch can still be useful, as > the problem may not yet be fixed in Debian Buster, and the problem may > end up being fixed in Debian Stretch updates if it is sufficiently > severe or security related. > > But you are correct that reporting against Debian Buster is a good > thing to do as well. > > > Buster is looking like it will become the stable distro sometime > > this Summer. After that settles would be a good time to talk about > > a deployment recipe for buster. Since I'm a school teacher and > > won't have students during June, July and August, I'm really hoping > > to ramp this up next September in any case. > > Great. Looking forward to it. > > I spent a few hours yesterday in a volunteer teaching team applying > prior Turtle Blocks learning to Lego WeDo kits. Mixed class of three > different grades, in a remote school. The class teacher stayed > involved, so we've got useful knowledge transfer happening. Being in > the southern hemisphere, I'll have students during those months, but > it's only part time. > > > Thanks! > > Jeff > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > Sorry to be late on this thread. Busy work week. Jeff, great to have you back in the fold. James, I may have a patch (if I can find it) to the WeDo activity that I used to maintain with a major speed up. I'll try to dig it up. Or were you using the WeDo plugin? regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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