On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 08:02:42PM +0000, Bottersnike wrote: > >Quassel core is a server that keeps the backlog. I don't need my > >computer on, and I can view the backlog from any device. > > Without being rude, most people don't have a spare server lying > around they can spin up an IRC backlog on, especially not people > interested in reading backlogged messages from before they joined > the IRC for the first time.
We have an instance of Quassel core on sunjammer.sugarlabs.org, but I don't know who administers it. Otherwise, there are other people who run an instance, or you can spin up a VM in the cloud, which most people seem to do these days with such a wide variety of software available. > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > Quassel core is a server that keeps the backlog. I don't need my > computer on, and I can view the backlog from any device. > > Yes, there are better onboarding experiences. > > However, if people want to talk with us, they'll know where to find > us. We're here to get the job done, not provide better experiences > for developers. > > We do still get students who can use IRC, so I know it is not a > significant hindrance. > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:46:10PM +0000, Bottersnike wrote: > > I think one of the main issues with IRC is the onboarding experience, or > rather > > lack thereof. For new users, they're faced with an entirely blank > screen, > with > > no trivial way to search for past questions, see if a topic has been > brought up > > before, or even just read through history to get a general idea of the > way the > > organization operates. Sure, there may be archives maintained, but for > someone > > who has just discovered SugarLabs and wants to contribute, that really > isn't > > going to be a viable solution, because it takes significant effort to > hunt them > > down and search through them. For established teams, this isn't much of > an > > issue, but it can make SugarLabs an incredibly daunting organization for > young > > students from, say GCI, or people looking around at different > organizations for > > GSoC. > > > > > I use Quassel, as it keeps backlog. > > > > Most clients keep a backlog, but only if your computer is on. That's not > the > > situation 24/7 for a lot of people. > > > > (Sorry for the double message, James. I accidentally used Reply not > Reply > All) > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:15 PM James Cameron <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org> > wrote: > > > > Thanks for asking. > > > > For real-time presence messaging, please use IRC channel #sugar on > > [2][3]freenode.net. Your choice of client. I use Quassel, as it > keeps > > backlog. > > > > For store and forward messaging, please use the mailing list. Your > > choice of client. > > > > You'll get a voice on choice of tools once you've been working with > us > > for a few months. Until then we can't trust that you've assessed > the > > situation accurately. > > > > Gitter.im was yet another attempt to split our community into the > > haves and the have-nots. I'm almost ready to ditch my account there > > because it has way less benefit than the cost. Of receiving a mail > > notification, logging in, and answering the same old questions. It > is > > quite boring. You can see that if you look through the previous > > discussion, which you'll find was entirely sporadic; someone > > has a question, I answer, nothing else happens. It could have been > > done in mail. It costs so much memory and screen real-estate that I > > can't see myself staying connected. I certainly don't want it > > promoted for Sugar Labs, but I'm willing to keep it available in > case > > it turns out to be useful for working with anyone who can't figure > out > > how to use IRC. We must allow for the possibility that someone with > a > > disability has been given access to Gitter.im but not to IRC. So a > > matter of inclusiveness, but not emphasis. > > > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 08:03:31PM +0530, Prashant Sengar wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am sure this request must have been raised earlier as well. I > wanted to > > ask > > > if Sugar could create a communication channel on another platform > such as > > a > > > discord server, Slack or Telegram instead of IRC to make > communication > > easier. > > > > > > The reason why others will be a better option: > > > 1. The chats will be accessible even if I am offline for a while, > unlike > > IRC > > > where I cannot see any earlier data. > > > 2. IRC cannot be used on mobile devices, so it creates a barrier > in > > > communication. On the other hand, the other chat applications are > > available on > > > all platforms for everyone to use. > > > > > > I would like to request the team to please consider this request. > If such > > > request has been made earlier and denied due to some reasons, then > I > > would like > > > to know them so that I can understand the reasons and work > accordingly. > > > > > > Regards. > > > Prashant Sengar > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > [3][4]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > [4][5]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > [5][6]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > [6][7]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [7][8]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > References: > > > > [1] mailto:[9]qu...@laptop.org > > [2] [10]http://freenode.net/ > > [3] mailto:[11]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [4] [12]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [5] [13]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > [6] mailto:[14]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [7] [15]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- > James Cameron > [16]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > References: > > [1] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > [2] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > [3] http://freenode.net/ > [4] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > [5] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [6] http://quozl.netrek.org/ > [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [9] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > [10] http://freenode.net/ > [11] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > [12] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [13] http://quozl.netrek.org/ > [14] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > [15] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [16] http://quozl.netrek.org/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel