Fireplaces are notorious heat wasters because fire requires air to burn and 
the air comes from the heated air in the building.

There are higher efficiency fireplaces which can heat a building. Too much 
to go into here but study and investigate before designing and building it.

Orient the house to maximize the view and put as much into the look as you 
can then insulate wherever possible. Insulation can be expensive if done 
wrong. Tendency is to overinsulate. Insulation installers rarely understand 
the thermdynamics of a building. Archietecs may be no better but a qualified 
designer will return their fee many times over.

A vapor barrier is needed to retain moisture during the heating season.

In architecture, estetics drive the designs and insulation as well as 
passive solar should be made to serve the needs in the completed building.

Large glass areas can be insulated using thick glass with double or triple 
pieces. Rhomb walls and other passive solar techniques will store and 
thereby conserve energy in winter.


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> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:44:10 +0000 (GMT)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Ideas Sought
> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de, Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Dear Lloyd
>
> Sunlight and shadow can be harnessed to provide warmth in winter and shade 
> in summer.  Solar geometry, i.e. gnomonics, is the name of the game.  This 
> is of course the basis of passive solar architectural design.
>
> In the northern hemisphere a south-facing window can be protected by a 
> canopy which screens high-angle sun in the summer and permits solar 
> penetration in the winter.  The design of such a canopy is an exercise in 
> applied gnomonics.  North-facing rooms would have smaller well-insulated 
> windows.  Rooms on the north fa?ade would be those occupied only 
> intermittently ? store-rooms, wash-rooms, etc. ? or those which themselves 
> generate heat, e.g. kitchens.  Bedrooms might face east to attract early 
> morning sunlight.
>
> I would urge you to consider this approach to architectural design.  It 
> would slash your fuel bills and point the way for others to follow in 
> reducing global warming.  But it may not produce an octagonal building!
>
> John Lynes
>
> --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Ideas Sought
>> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
>> Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 9:53 PM
>> Hello!
>>
>> I am in the early planning stages of building an Octagon
>> house.? The house will have a central fireplace.?I have no
>> building restrcitions and can orient the house any way I
>> choose - I do have a great river view directly to the South
>> that will be the main focus of the house.
>>
>> In designing this house it occurred to me that it would be
>> interesting to align the house with the 8 points of the
>> compass, and then it occurred to me that there are many
>> things that I could do with this, if I but had the
>> knowledge.? Such as, design the house as a live in
>> sunddial, or astronomical calendar with shadow line(s)
>> falling on solstices marked on the central fireplace,
>> equinoxes, eclipses, what have you.
>>
>> However, I am ignorant on the subjects above?and am
>> seeking ideas to incorporate into the design.? I am about a
>> year from starting construction, so now is the time to plan
>> this out.
>>
>> Any and all suggestions are welcomed!?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Lloyd
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:39:56 -0400
> From: Bill Gottesman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Rapid Prototyping for sundial parts
> To: Sundial Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> I am hoping the sundial mailing list may be able to give me suggestions
> on affordable software for design and rapid-prototyping.  I want to be
> able to design and rapid-prototype small sundial models or parts.
>
> I was about take a university course in Solidworks, because for $100 you
> can buy a 2 year license for a working "full featured" student version,
> EXCEPT that 1) It will not export a usable rapid-prototype file, and 2)
> It will not export a Solidworks file for use on a commercial Solidworks
> program.  In this manner, Solidworks makes sure that nothing of
> commercial value can be created on the inexpensive student version, and
> that for commercial purposes, you have to use/buy the commercial
> version, which starts at $4,000.  I decided not to invest my time in the
> Solidworks course.
>
> But I now wonder if there is a decent, more affordable program that lets
> hobbyists and small businesses design 3-D models, and allows you to
> export them in a file format suitable for rapid prototyping?
>
> -Bill Gottesman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:09:26 -0400
> From: "Larry Bohlayer / Celestial Products"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Spam: Rapid Prototyping for sundial parts
> To: "'Bill Gottesman'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Sundial Mailing
> List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Bill Gottesman wrote:
>
>>But I now wonder if there is a decent, more affordable program that lets
>>hobbyists and small businesses design 3-D models, and allows you to
>>export them in a file format suitable for rapid prototyping?
>
> Bill,
>
> I have not used this service but plan to. www.emachineshop.com
>
> They have free downloadable 3D-CAD software (PC only). You send the file
> generated by their software to them and they make the part in most any
> material you want. Minimum part order is one.
>
> This is what they say about other CAD software use for importation:
>
>>Can I import an existing drawing?
>
>>Currently eMachineShop has some import capability for IGES and STL and can
>>import 2D DXF files. Most programs can export to one of these formats. You
>>may need to make some adjustments after the import.
>
> Let me know if you try it and the results of the experience.
>
> Larry Bohlayer
> Celestial Products
> P.O. Box 801
> Middleburg, VA 20118
> 540-338-4040
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:55:28 +0200
> From: "Th. Taudin Chabot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ideas Sought
> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Lloyd,
> look at
> http://www.squ1.com/products/ecotect/features/shadingdesign
> for a good shading design.
> Thibaud
>
> At 12:44 04-09-2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Dear Lloyd
>>
>>Sunlight and shadow can be harnessed to provide
>>warmth in winter and shade in summer.  Solar
>>geometry, i.e. gnomonics, is the name of the
>>game.  This is of course the basis of passive solar architectural design.
>>
>>In the northern hemisphere a south-facing window
>>can be protected by a canopy which screens
>>high-angle sun in the summer and permits solar
>>penetration in the winter.  The design of such a
>>canopy is an exercise in applied
>>gnomonics.  North-facing rooms would have
>>smaller well-insulated windows.  Rooms on the
>>north fa??ade would be those occupied only
>>intermittently ? store-rooms, wash-rooms, etc. ?
>>or those which themselves generate heat, e.g.
>>kitchens.  Bedrooms might face east to attract early morning sunlight.
>>.
>>
>>I would urge you to consider this approach to
>>architectural design.  It would slash your fuel
>>bills and point the way for others to follow in
>>reducing global warming.  But it may not produce an octagonal building!
>>
>>John Lynes
>>
>>--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Subject: Ideas Sought
>> > To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
>> > Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 9:53 PM
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I am in the early planning stages of building an Octagon
>> > house.?  The house will have a central fireplace.? I have no
>> > building restrcitions and can orient the house any way I
>> > choose - I do have a great river view directly to the South
>> > that will be the main focus of the house.
>> >
>> > In designing this house it occurred to me that it would be
>> > interesting to align the house with the 8 points of the
>> > compass, and then it occurred to me that there are many
>> > things that I could do with this, if I but had the
>> > knowledge.?  Such as, design the house as a live in
>> > sunddial, or astronomical calendar with shadow line(s)
>> > falling on solstices marked on the central fireplace,
>> > equinoxes, eclipses, what have you.
>> >
>> > However, I am ignorant on the subjects above? and am
>> > seeking ideas to incorporate into the design.?  I am about a
>> > year from starting construction, so now is the time to plan
>> > this out.
>> >
>> > Any and all suggestions are welcomed!?
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > Lloyd
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
>
>
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> Th. Taudin Chabot, . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:07:13 +0200
> From: "Th. Taudin Chabot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ideas Sought
> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
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> Lloyd,
> look at http://www.squ1.com/products/ecotect/features/shadingdesign
> and http://www.squ1.com/products/solartool
> for a good shading design.
> Thibaud
>
> At 12:44 04-09-2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Dear Lloyd
>>
>>Sunlight and shadow can be harnessed to provide
>>warmth in winter and shade in summer.  Solar
>>geometry, i.e. gnomonics, is the name of the
>>game.  This is of course the basis of passive solar architectural design.
>>
>>In the northern hemisphere a south-facing window
>>can be protected by a canopy which screens
>>high-angle sun in the summer and permits solar
>>penetration in the winter.  The design of such a
>>canopy is an exercise in applied
>>gnomonics.  North-facing rooms would have
>>smaller well-insulated windows.  Rooms on the
>>north fa??ade would be those occupied only
>>intermittently ? store-rooms, wash-rooms, etc. ?
>>or those which themselves generate heat, e.g.
>>kitchens.  Bedrooms might face east to attract early morning sunlight.
>>.
>>
>>I would urge you to consider this approach to
>>architectural design.  It would slash your fuel
>>bills and point the way for others to follow in
>>reducing global warming.  But it may not produce an octagonal building!
>>
>>John Lynes
>>
>>--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Subject: Ideas Sought
>> > To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
>> > Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 9:53 PM
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I am in the early planning stages of building an Octagon
>> > house.?  The house will have a central fireplace.? I have no
>> > building restrcitions and can orient the house any way I
>> > choose - I do have a great river view directly to the South
>> > that will be the main focus of the house.
>> >
>> > In designing this house it occurred to me that it would be
>> > interesting to align the house with the 8 points of the
>> > compass, and then it occurred to me that there are many
>> > things that I could do with this, if I but had the
>> > knowledge.?  Such as, design the house as a live in
>> > sunddial, or astronomical calendar with shadow line(s)
>> > falling on solstices marked on the central fireplace,
>> > equinoxes, eclipses, what have you.
>> >
>> > However, I am ignorant on the subjects above? and am
>> > seeking ideas to incorporate into the design.?  I am about a
>> > year from starting construction, so now is the time to plan
>> > this out.
>> >
>> > Any and all suggestions are welcomed!?
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > Lloyd
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
>
>
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> Th. Taudin Chabot, . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:08:00 +0200
> From: "Th. Taudin Chabot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ideas Sought
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> Lloyd,
> look at http://www.squ1.com/products/ecotect/features/shadingdesign
> or http://www.squ1.com/products/solartool
> for a good shading design.
> Thibaud
>
> At 12:44 04-09-2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Dear Lloyd
>>
>>Sunlight and shadow can be harnessed to provide
>>warmth in winter and shade in summer.  Solar
>>geometry, i.e. gnomonics, is the name of the
>>game.  This is of course the basis of passive solar architectural design.
>>
>>In the northern hemisphere a south-facing window
>>can be protected by a canopy which screens
>>high-angle sun in the summer and permits solar
>>penetration in the winter.  The design of such a
>>canopy is an exercise in applied
>>gnomonics.  North-facing rooms would have
>>smaller well-insulated windows.  Rooms on the
>>north fa??ade would be those occupied only
>>intermittently ? store-rooms, wash-rooms, etc. ?
>>or those which themselves generate heat, e.g.
>>kitchens.  Bedrooms might face east to attract early morning sunlight.
>>.
>>
>>I would urge you to consider this approach to
>>architectural design.  It would slash your fuel
>>bills and point the way for others to follow in
>>reducing global warming.  But it may not produce an octagonal building!
>>
>>John Lynes
>>
>>--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Subject: Ideas Sought
>> > To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
>> > Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 9:53 PM
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I am in the early planning stages of building an Octagon
>> > house.?  The house will have a central fireplace.? I have no
>> > building restrcitions and can orient the house any way I
>> > choose - I do have a great river view directly to the South
>> > that will be the main focus of the house.
>> >
>> > In designing this house it occurred to me that it would be
>> > interesting to align the house with the 8 points of the
>> > compass, and then it occurred to me that there are many
>> > things that I could do with this, if I but had the
>> > knowledge.?  Such as, design the house as a live in
>> > sunddial, or astronomical calendar with shadow line(s)
>> > falling on solstices marked on the central fireplace,
>> > equinoxes, eclipses, what have you.
>> >
>> > However, I am ignorant on the subjects above? and am
>> > seeking ideas to incorporate into the design.?  I am about a
>> > year from starting construction, so now is the time to plan
>> > this out.
>> >
>> > Any and all suggestions are welcomed!?
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > Lloyd
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ideas Sought
> To: "Th. Taudin Chabot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sundial@uni-koeln.de
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> Excellent sources, thank you.? It occurs to me that I might want to build 
> an upper deck over the South windows, where the river view is.? I can use 
> this software to make the deck act as a sun shade in the summer without 
> blocking the view - and have an upper deck to sit on as well.?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Th. Taudin Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
> Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:08:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Ideas Sought
>
> Lloyd,
> look at http://www.squ1.com/products/ecotect/features/shadingdesign
> or http://www.squ1.com/products/solartool
> for a good shading design.
> Thibaud
>
> At 12:44 04-09-2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Dear Lloyd
>
> Sunlight and shadow can be harnessed to provide warmth in winter and shade 
> in summer.? Solar geometry, i.e. gnomonics, is the name of the game.? This 
> is of course the basis of passive solar architectural design.
>
> In the northern hemisphere a south-facing window can be protected by a 
> canopy which screens high-angle sun in the summer and permits solar 
> penetration in the winter.? The design of such a canopy is an exercise in 
> applied gnomonics.? North-facing rooms would have smaller well-insulated 
> windows.? Rooms on the north fa??ade would be those occupied only 
> intermittently ? store-rooms, wash-rooms, etc. ? or those which themselves 
> generate heat, e.g. kitchens.? Bedrooms might face east to attract early 
> morning sunlight.
> .
>
> I would urge you to consider this approach to architectural design.? It 
> would slash your fuel bills and point the way for others to follow in 
> reducing global warming.? But it may not produce an octagonal building!
>
> John Lynes
>
> --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Lloyd Tackitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Ideas Sought
>> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
>> Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 9:53 PM
>> Hello!
>>
>> I am in the early planning stages of building an Octagon
>> house.?? The house will have a central fireplace.? I have no
>> building restrcitions and can orient the house any way I
>> choose - I do have a great river view directly to the South
>> that will be the main focus of the house.
>>
>> In designing this house it occurred to me that it would be
>> interesting to align the house with the 8 points of the
>> compass, and then it occurred to me that there are many
>> things that I could do with this, if I but had the
>> knowledge.?? Such as, design the house as a live in
>> sunddial, or astronomical calendar with shadow line(s)
>> falling on solstices marked on the central fireplace,
>> equinoxes, eclipses, what have you.
>>
>> However, I am ignorant on the subjects above? and am
>> seeking ideas to incorporate into the design.?? I am about a
>> year from starting construction, so now is the time to plan
>> this out.
>>
>> Any and all suggestions are welcomed!??
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Lloyd
>
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