Eppur se muove! :-)
Jack Aubert -----Original Message----- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:03 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: sundial Digest, Vol 72, Issue 11 Hi All: Why do people in the 21st century incorrectly continue to say "the sun moves" across the sky? We know the sun is generally and at all times in the same spot. The truth, as we know and accept, is the earth moves. All of the phenomena that happens because of the daily rotation and the year long trip around the orbit is fascinating and proves how wrong was the idea that the sun moves. It's not that our eyes give wrong information but that the mind came to very wrong conclusions because of wrong conclusions about the information. Wrong ideas are serious and to be avoided. Wrong ideas about the moving earth and stationary sun got Bruno burned at the stake and Galileo thrown in prison but the truth about the universe finally came out. Perhaps it's easier to explain to children that the sun is moving but why not explain to them as early as possible that the sun is in the same spot, just like everything stays in the same spot as they move? They would grasp the idea that shadows of the same things are different depending where they are on the globe. They would learn the correct way to think about so many phenomena, especially about sundials, instead of the age-old wrong ways. Regards and enjoy the coming solstice. Bill O'Neill Holland, PA. USA -------------------------------------------------- From: <sundial-requ...@uni-koeln.de> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:00 AM To: <sundial@uni-koeln.de> Subject: sundial Digest, Vol 72, Issue 11 > Send sundial mailing list submissions to > sundial@uni-koeln.de > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sundial-requ...@uni-koeln.de > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sundial-ow...@uni-koeln.de > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sundial digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Alternative mapping sites (Richard Mallett) > 2. the sun is out right now in Seattle! - live webcam view of > large sundial (Woody Sullivan) > 3. Re: Alternative mapping sites (John Pickard) > 4. Re: Alternative mapping sites (Peter Mayer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:18:56 +0000 > From: Richard Mallett <100114....@compuserve.com> > To: "J. Tallman" <jtall...@artisanindustrials.com> > Cc: Sundial Mailing List <sundial@uni-koeln.de> > Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites > Message-ID: <4ee63780.4070...@compuserve.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > On 18/11/2011 17:02, J. Tallman wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I've received a lot of gracious help from this list over the 13+ years >> I have belonged to it, so when I find something I think might be >> useful to list members I feel compelled to contribute. >> >> I'm still looking for alternative mapping/satellite photo sites in an >> effort to better serve my non-dialist Spectra customers who are not >> inclined to do remote declination shadow measurements for me. Today I >> found this one, and it has much more recent photography than Google >> Earth/Maps for the neighborhood I am seeking, but I still haven't >> found what I need. It may or may not be useful in all places, but I >> never heard of it before, so here you go: >> >> http://maps.nokia.com >> >> Again, if anyone knows of good alternative mapping sites to try when >> GE is lacking, constructive suggestions would be appreciated...and >> thank you to all those list members who have taken the time to help me >> with questions in the past -- I appreciate it! >> >> Best, >> >> Jim Tallman >> >> www.spectrasundial.com >> >> www.artisanindustrials.com <http://www.artisanindustrials.com/> >> >> jtall...@artisanindustrials.com <mailto:jtall...@artisanindustrials.com> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> > > I certainly like this one better than the other one. > > -- > -- > Richard Mallett > Eaton Bray, Dunstable > South Beds. UK > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/private/sundial/attachments/20111212/53e 8bafb/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:45:53 -0800 > From: Woody Sullivan <wo...@astro.washington.edu> > To: sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de > Subject: the sun is out right now in Seattle! - live webcam view of > large sundial > Message-ID: <a062408aacb0c1805b718@[192.168.1.3]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Dear list: I couldn't resist - it happens so rarely in December near > declination -23 deg! - Woody > > http://sunny.astro.washington.edu > > ==================== > > Dear gnomonic world, > > We are pleased to announce the public launch of our SundialCam website > > http://sunny.astro.washington.edu > > at which you can see a live image, updated once per minute (even at > night!), of the large wall dial on the Physics/Astronomy Building of > the University of Washington, Seattle, USA. It is the only such > active webcam in the world, and we know that some of you will want to > stare at it for hours on end (or at least bookmark it...). You can > monitor not only the time in Seattle, but also the weather - once in > a while we have been known to have some rain (although it's clear > right now and the there's a lunar eclipse underway!). > The website has many features including our first two > time-lapse movies, of the all-day shadow on the summer solstice and > on the autumn equinox. (We also link to many other sundial time-lapse > movies done by others in the past.) There are also details of the > webcam setup, the dial itself, sundials in general, etc. > We will be adding time-lapses over the coming months, > including eventually all-year-long analemmas. We will also shortly be > improving the present camera so as to have higher-resolution images > and more reliabilty. If we should be off-line when you check (it > happens once in a while), please check again after a day. > We look forward to feedback from the international gnomonic > community, as well as information on any links we may have missed to > other such efforts now or in the past. > > Cheers, Woody Sullivan & Ian Smith > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > Seattle Sundial Trail: http://www.sundials.co.uk/~seattle.htm > > What you seek is but a shadow > -- > > ****************************************************************** > Prof. Woodruff T. Sullivan, III > Dept. of Astronomy & Astrobiology Program Box 351580 > Univ. of Washington tel. > 206-543-7773 > Seattle, WA 98195 USA fax 206-685-0403 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:59:34 +1100 > From: "John Pickard" <john.pick...@bigpond.com> > To: "Richard Mallett" <100114....@compuserve.com>, "Sundial List" > <sundial@uni-koeln.de> > Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites > Message-ID: <B75AD158BE104C16B3223B06EC97931E@DESKTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good morning, > > For various parts of Australia, NearMap offers high-res imagery with > amazing detail. They apparently take their own air photos, and for some > areas, they have a time-series of earlier imagery. > > Home page: https://www.nearmap.com/welcome-new (log-in for personal use) > > Areas covered: > http://files.nearmap.com/public/website/NearMap-PhotoMap-Coverage.pdf > > With the huge expansion of mining in Australia, their new coverage of > mining areas in NW Western Australia is impressive. > > Cheers, John > > John Pickard > john.pick...@bigpond.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Mallett > To: J. Tallman > Cc: Sundial Mailing List > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 AM > Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites > > > On 18/11/2011 17:02, J. Tallman wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I've received a lot of gracious help from this list over the 13+ years > I have belonged to it, so when I find something I think might be useful to > list members I feel compelled to contribute. > > > > I'm still looking for alternative mapping/satellite photo sites in an > effort to better serve my non-dialist Spectra customers who are not > inclined to do remote declination shadow measurements for me. Today I > found this one, and it has much more recent photography than Google > Earth/Maps for the neighborhood I am seeking, but I still haven't found > what I need. It may or may not be useful in all places, but I never heard > of it before, so here you go: > > > > http://maps.nokia.com > > > > Again, if anyone knows of good alternative mapping sites to try when GE > is lacking, constructive suggestions would be appreciated.and thank you to > all those list members who have taken the time to help me with questions > in the past - I appreciate it! > > > > > > Best, > > > > Jim Tallman > > www.spectrasundial.com > > www.artisanindustrials.com > > jtall...@artisanindustrials.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > > I certainly like this one better than the other one. > > > -- > -- > Richard Mallett > Eaton Bray, Dunstable > South Beds. UK > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > --------------------------------------------------- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/private/sundial/attachments/20111213/e7f db219/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:30:17 +1030 > From: Peter Mayer <peter.ma...@adelaide.edu.au> > To: John Pickard <john.pick...@bigpond.com> > Cc: Sundial List <sundial@uni-koeln.de> > Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites > Message-ID: <4ee6b1b1.6030...@adelaide.edu.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi John, > > Thanks for the link. It's quite amazing, at least for Oz: MUCH better > than GE! > > best wishes, > > Peter > > On 13/12/2011 09:29, John Pickard wrote: >> Good morning, >> For various parts of Australia, NearMap offers high-res imagery with >> amazing detail. They apparently take their own air photos, and for some >> areas, they have a time-series of earlier imagery. >> Home page: https://www.nearmap.com/welcome-new (log-in for personal use) >> Areas covered: >> http://files.nearmap.com/public/website/NearMap-PhotoMap-Coverage.pdf >> With the huge expansion of mining in Australia, their new coverage of >> mining areas in NW Western Australia is impressive. >> Cheers, John >> John Pickard >> john.pick...@bigpond.com <mailto:john.pick...@bigpond.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Richard Mallett <mailto:100114....@compuserve.com> >> *To:* J. Tallman <mailto:jtall...@artisanindustrials.com> >> *Cc:* Sundial Mailing List <mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.de> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Alternative mapping sites >> >> On 18/11/2011 17:02, J. Tallman wrote: >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I?ve received a lot of gracious help from this list over the 13+ >>> years I have belonged to it, so when I find something I think >>> might be useful to list members I feel compelled to contribute. >>> >>> I?m still looking for alternative mapping/satellite photo sites in >>> an effort to better serve my non-dialist Spectra customers who are >>> not inclined to do remote declination shadow measurements for me. >>> Today I found this one, and it has much more recent photography >>> than Google Earth/Maps for the neighborhood I am seeking, but I >>> still haven?t found what I need. It may or may not be useful in >>> all places, but I never heard of it before, so here you go: >>> >>> http://maps.nokia.com >>> >>> Again, if anyone knows of good alternative mapping sites to try >>> when GE is lacking, constructive suggestions would be >>> appreciated?and thank you to all those list members who have taken >>> the time to help me with questions in the past ? I appreciate it! >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Jim Tallman >>> >>> www.spectrasundial.com >>> >>> www.artisanindustrials.com <http://www.artisanindustrials.com/> >>> >>> jtall...@artisanindustrials.com >>> <mailto:jtall...@artisanindustrials.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >>> >> >> I certainly like this one better than the other one. >> >> -- >> -- >> Richard Mallett >> Eaton Bray, Dunstable >> South Beds. 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