Dear Paul, Many thanks for your note on the use of your Business Logo by a local Newspaper here in Cambridge.
I very much take all your points. I also echo Steve Lelievre's comments. If you use someone else's photograph, drawing or idea, then you should say so even if the person is long dead and the material is out of Copyright. In the case of your business logo I took a look at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Analemmatic_%28Human_Sundial%29.png As you say in a follow-up, the author of this image is Douglas Hunt. The "permission status" is that it has been released under the GNU Free Documentation License. I guess that is all a Newspaper would want to know. This image seems to be free for anyone to use anyway they like. The permission status seems to allow you to modify the image too. As far as I can tell, you COULD follow up Mac Oglesby's suggestion. As ever, he makes good sense! While you are at it you could have the user taking up the Bill Gottesman stance (which I explain below). Of course, you should acknowledge all three of Douglas, Mac and Bill. I would myself! The GNU agreement for this kind of permission status adds: Content in the public domain may not have a strict legal requirement of attribution ... but attribution is recommended to give correct provenance. I would certainly give attribution if I used this image and it would be to Douglas Hunt. I am not quite sure what your agreement is with him... On the sunclocks.net home page there is no mention of Douglas Hunt against the image. Shouldn't there be? Alas, I still do not know much about this new sundial. I was present at the opening, in pouring rain, and no one I spoke to had the slightest understanding of sundials. No one could answer any of my questions about the designer and/or maker. The idea seems to have been that of Vernon McElroy who died in 2012. I don't know whether he actually came up with a drawing but I gather that he did have some understanding of sundials. I have heard that the stones were cut by a company in York, England, but they just did as asked. I spoke to the guy who laid the stones but he was just following a drawing. He didn't know what he was doing or where the design came from! There is something much more worrying about this story than merely using your business Logo without any kind of citation... At a cursory glance, the whole design seems to be an implementation of the Douglas Hunt image. The actual sundial includes the outer ring running from 7 to 6 rather than from 6 to 6. To be sure Roman Numerals are used but otherwise it looks like your Logo. You ask about the "Bill Gottesman stance". This is a rather frivolous example of my own pedantry when it comes to citations! When I was at the NASS Asheville meeting in 2012, Bill explained that when using an analemmatic sundial, you should stand with your feet just a few inches apart. You then turn so that, through the shadows of your legs, you get a very narrow triangle of light on the ground. The tip of the triangle indicates the time. This is a very simple idea but it wasn't mine!! Maybe it wasn't Bill's either? Frank King Cambridge, U.K. --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
