The RTU is apparently perpetual for the version of SRSS it was purchased
for.


According to the SRSS licenses agreement, what I stated is true.  

>From the SRRS licensing tab on sun.com:
C. Upgrading form Sun Ray Server Software to Sun Ray Software
Sun Ray Server Software had specific named releases, such as 'Sun Ray Server
Software 3.1. Each named release may also have had add-ons and patches. A
license to use a certain named version of the software, such as Sun Ray
Server Software 3.1, includes the right to use that named version. A valid
service contract is now required to get access to Sun Ray Software patches
and updates for that named release. Those customers with an existing Sun Ray
Server Software support contract will now get support for Sun Ray Software 4
and its components which include: Sun Ray Server Software, Sun Ray Connector
for Windows OS and Sun Desktop Manager.

>From the SRSS 4.0 upgrade documentation:
You can upgrade your current Sun Ray Server Software if you have purchased a
new Sun Ray Server Software 4.0 Right-to-Use license or have a Sun Ray
Server Software service contract that entitles you to upgrades.


So if you purchase a Sun Ray on Ebay that has an RTU, that RTU is only valid
for the SRSS version it was purchased for, unless you put it under support
contract.  So even if the RTU was bundled, a person still wouldn't have a
"clear conscience" unless it was put under support.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sunray-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Bender
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:46 PM
> To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay RTU discussion...
> 
> I don't believe that this is true.  The RTU is perpetual.  Support is
> annual.
> 
> Blaster wrote:
> > The problem with "bundling" RTU licenses is, is that they are generally
> only
> > valid for the version of the software that was available when the unit
> was
> > purchased.  This was the way Solaris RTU licenses were for Sparc
> servers.
> >
> > The situation would be worse for Sun Ray.  With a Sparc, it's a one to
> one
> > relationship.  With Sun Ray, you'd have to have a separate version of
> SRSS
> > running on a separate box for each different version of RTU that each
> Sun
> > Ray unit was licensed for, that you happen to have.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sunray-users-
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Bender
> >> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:09 PM
> >> To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay RTU discussion...
> >>
> >> While I 100% agree with you and actually feel the pain of the free/not
> >> free dilemma these are things that you need to bring up to your Sales
> >> rep who can pass on your customer information to marketing.  If you
> just
> >> buy Sun Rays off ebay and want a clear conscience that being "legal"
> >> gives you, you're probably out of luck.  Rest assured we don't have
> >> secret Sun Ray police running around checking up on RTU's.  How do we
> >> enforce RTU's?  Support.  Can't get support without and RTU.
> >>
> >> Most the folks on this alias from Sun are from the technical side who
> >> typically don't get involved in too many non-technical issues.  That
> >> being said, we have managed to twist the arm of some of our marketing
> >> folks to at least view the digests and do voice our concerns from time
> >> to time.  I think my exact phrase on the RTU issue was "what else are
> >> you going to use a Sun Ray for?".
> >>
> >> That being said, one can argue that all thin clients have a tax.  Wyse,
> >> Neoware, etc if you want to "manage" more than a hand full you must buy
> >> their enterprise license which just happens to be right around the RTU
> >> price.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Knoblauch wrote:
> >>> What I'd like to see is the RTU just bundled in with the unit.  I
> can't
> >>> think of anything else I can really use the SunRays for.  I'm going to
> >>> need the RTU to (legally) use it.  Why do we have to buy it separate
> >>> (and try to track the licenses)?  Only thing I can see is if I buy a
> new
> >>> one to replace one that's failed.  However, that's still a weak
> argument
> >>> for separate RTUs.
> >>>
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